Re: GNOME and GStreamer

[Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <uraeus linuxrising org>]

Hi Ronald,
All current regressions of any significance are only relevant to Totem,
where we have both a 0.8 and 0.10 backend. For gnome-media, sound
juicer, rhythmbox etc., 0.10 should give a unquestionable improved
experience (I still feel good about how much quicker it is to jump
between songs in Rb for instance). 

We should move ahead and switch everything over to 0.10, and then if
we haven't closed the gaps to 0.8 in regards to Totem when the time to
roll our the next GNOME release comes then distributions who want/use
those features can decide to ship Totem using the 0.8 backend instead of
0.10, while everything else is 0.10 based. Personally I think we will
manage to close the gap before the next GNOME release and the idea of
keeping GNOME running on a version of GStreamer almost getting no
attention at all now for the next 6 months doesn't appeal to me at all.

Christian


On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 17:58 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
> 
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Vincent Untz wrote:
> > Yes, we are keeping an eye on regressions. What are the current
> > regressions? The ones I have heard of are:
> >
> >  + no DVD support
> >    => we're not advertising this
> >  + no subtitles support in totem
> >    => is this hard to fix?
> >  + some plugins not ported
> >    => I thought this is only a problem for some "non-free" plugins
> >
> > Are there some other regressions? Or is one of those 3 items a blocker?
> 
> I can obfuscate any regression like this, but let's not. What is your
> definition of non-free? Does that mean blocked by patents valid only in
> the US under the DMCA? Or does that mean non-(L)GPL? Or non-free with
> free being as defined by the FSF? Under any but the first, I disagree with
> the last point, and even under the first definition I am sceptical. I
> understand that GNOME as a project officially doesn't give a rats ass
> about anything but treehugger-formats like Ogg and Vorbis, but if we're
> serious about this fancy momentum user thing, then screwing them as badly
> as this is not gonna look good for us.
> 
> Now, back on topic, I'll do an analysis of features and regressions in
> modules that I am interested in (gnome-media, totem, sound-juicer) either
> this weekend or next week. After that, I'll come up with a well-backed
> personal opinion. For now, I'm tired, busy, lazy and sceptical because I
> have an exam at 1:00PM.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronald