Re: [pdfmod] the one true evince/pdfmod merge or not thread (was requesting your input on releases, etc)

[Brett Alton <brett jr alton gmail com>]

Great summary Sandy, thank you.

I think having an 'edit' button in Evince is a great alternative to
merging the two products or re-writing pdf-mod as a plugin.

I would have no objections to this and it sounds very distro friendly too.

Maybe Evince could detect if pdf-mod is installed and then enable the
'edit' button (as to not confuse the users when it's not installed).

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Sandy
Armstrong<sanfordarmstrong gmail com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Gabriel Burt<gabriel burt gmail com> wrote:
>> I've split this off into it's own thread, so it's easier to find in
>> the archives etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Brett Alton<brett jr alton gmail com> wrote:
>>>> == Other ==
>>>> Any opinions on proposing pdfmod for inclusion in the GNOME desktop?
>>>> Sandy, I'd be especially interested in your input on this.
>>>>
>>>> Any other advice, input, or questions?
>>>
>>> I haven't been on this mailing list for long, so please excuse my
>>> ignorance if I raise such dialogue, but what are the possibilities of
>>> making pdf-mod a plugin _of_ Evince?
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> What it comes down to:  I do not plan to merge them.  PDF Mod is as it
>> was intended to be: a simple, standalone tool for modifying PDFs.
>> Though you are welcome to work on merging them if you're so inclined.
>
> Andres filed a bug in Evince about some integration between the two
> applications; something as simple as being able to click an edit
> button or menu item, and having the PDF open in pdfmod.  I think the
> Evince developer comments on this bug also put an end to this
> discussion:
>
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589661
>
> <quote>
>> Which leads me to think: maybe the easiest integration is the way to go: just
>> an Edit submenu on Evince that launches pdfmod if it's available.
>
> Editing capabilities are actually out of scope in evince, see bug #314683.
> However, I think integretion in the other direction would make more sense, that
> is, PDFMod might use evince (actually libevview) to show or preview the PDF
> files that are being edited.
> </quote>
>
> <quote>
>> Does evince have a plugin API, such that PdfMod developers could distribute a
>> plugin that adds such an option in Evince's UI?
>>
>
> No
> </quote>
>
>
> So to summarize:
> * Evince developers do not want to add editing capabilities to their app.
> * Evince developers do not want to add integration with pdfmod into
> their app (though the bug has not yet been closed, so maybe this is
> still up for discussion).
> * Evince has no plug-in API, so pdfmod cannot ship an Evince plug-in
> that gives integration with pdfmod.
> * If you look at bug #314683, you'll see that Evince developers have
> been encouraging others to create an app like pdfmod: "Agree, let's
> write a simple pdf editor then! :-)".
>
> I think that it would be nice to add a feature to pdfmod to "preview"
> the current PDF (which may be unsaved, etc, so you'd be opening a tmp
> file) in Evince or whatever the default PDF viewer is.  If there was a
> one-click way to view your PDF in Evince, I don't think adding viewer
> features to pdfmod would be as popular a request.  I have filed a bug
> for this enhancement:
>
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591152
>
> Lastly, Gabriel, I think it might be a good idea when blogging the
> next pdfmod release to explicitly state that the existence of two
> separate apps is what both you and the Evince developers prefer
> (assuming that is still your stance).  You can cite the Evince bugs
> mentioned above, and hopefully put the repeated comments/requests to
> rest.
>
> Sandy
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