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Re: [orca-list] Object Navigation MR

Hi Chrys and José,

The object navigation commands allow you to navigate through the hierarchy of UI components, as they are represented by the accessibility tree. However, the accessibility tree also contains many layout-only objects like pains, fillers, panels, etc, which are not really necessary for a non-visual interpretation of the structure, and which therefore add unnecessary navigation steps. The simplified navigation toggle allows you to filter these objects, which (hopefully!) results in more officiant navigation.
Admittedly this filter still requires some tweeking, it mostly checks if an object is layout-only according to Orca, and also filters a few additional roles like table cells. However, sometimes I find that it filters some objects which are actually useful to know about.
Any suggestions about this filter, and also the rest of the object navigation functionality, would be very welcome.

Regards,

Rynhardt

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 3:05 PM chrys <chrys linux-a11y org> wrote:
Howdy José,

the initial code is done by Rynhardt. So i just forward the question to him :).
He can answer this more detailed then me.
I just moved the code to be a plugin.

cheers chrys

Am 24.01.22 um 13:58 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
Hi chrys.
About the explanation, I didn't understand the function of the keys orca_key+ctrl+s.
What's Object Navigation Should Be Simplified?
Thanks.
On 1/24/22 07:51, Linux A11y wrote:
Howdy Rynhardt,

Great :)! Next i add the settings and translations.

Is my explanation on the blog correct? I don’t want to spread wrong information. I don’t use orca by my own. So its what i understand  so far.

Cheers chrys

Am 24.01.2022 um 11:38 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger <rynkruger gmail com>:


Hi Chrys,

I just installed the plugin and it is working great.
Thank you so much for working on this.

Regards,

Rynhardt


On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 2:14 PM chrys <chrys linux-a11y org> wrote:
Howdy Rynhardt,

i just completed the ObjectNavigation plugin and you can give an first test.

you can get the plugin file (i wont attach a file to an mailing list mail) and check the complete story on my blog:
with another additional stuff.

you can just install it by using the plugin manager by pressing "orca + e" running the plugin tree.
also its not final yet, cause by settings and translation interfaces are currently still missing. but i was busy with other things.
but this is definitive next on my todo list.


looking for feedback

cheers chrys

Am 11.01.22 um 17:20 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger:
Hi Chrys,

Excellent, thank you. I look forward to the plugin implementation.

Something else I wish to investigate down the line is to restrict flat review based on the object selected via object nav. This would possibly result in a more effective flat review functionality when the screen is too cluttered, for instance an application or page with sidebars.

But step by step as you say.

Regards,

Rynhardt


On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:05 AM chrys <chrys linux-a11y org> wrote:
Howdy Rynhardt,

nice to hear from you :). All good, we all have a real life :).
I hope you are doing well?
Yea all good now. I found the class
I converted your code to an plugin. Let me do some last cleanups and testing. then you can take a look if you want.
your functionality looks very neat to me.

two very important pieces are missing in the plugin system driven orca version. this is a translation API for the plugins and gsettings based settings.
but step by step ;).

cheers chrys

Am 30.12.21 um 17:23 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger:
Hi Chrys and Peter,

My apologies for only responding now, I was away for the festive period and could not attend to this.
I have fixed the repository at the merge request, sorry about that. The relevant class should now be included.
I'm currently spending all my time on finishing my thesis, but I will look into a plugin conversion as soon as I have some free time again. However, either of you are of course more than welcome to work on this if you wish.

Regards,

Rynhardt



On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:23 PM Linux A11y <chrys linux-a11y org> wrote:
Howdy Peter,

Maybe you can send me the working version of the patch? Or maybe you wanna try to conert it into an plugin by yourself?

By the way, i keep the plugin branch up to date with master to have all the latest fixen in (to not have disadvantages while testing)

Cheers chrys

> Am 19.12.2021 um 14:03 schrieb Peter Vágner <pvagner pvagner tk>:
>
> Hello,
>
> Looking at the MR source branch I am afraid this is a merge issue. It looks as if Rynhardt has forcepushed the branch with the file removed or something similar as I am unable to find that file even in the history.
>
> However you may see I have pulled and tested the changes when these were available. I do have the patch available here  locally however I am missing latest changes mainly the typos pointed to by Marco Zehe and other recent changes.
>
> If you like I can send you the file I do have.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter.
>
>
> Dňa 17. 12. 2021 o 17:44 Linux A11y napísal(a):
>> Howdy List,
>>
>> on gitlab is an merge request for object Navigation.
>>
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/-/merge_requests/101
>>
>> I just wanted to convert it into an plugin for testing reasons. But it seems that the file with the objectNavigation class itself is missing. Maybe the developer of this is here and want to contact me?
>>
>> Cheers chrys
>>
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