Hey guys,
first, on the original topic, regarding protection extensions.
I personally use uBlock origin as well as NoScript.
As far as I saw, uBlock is mostly accessible. It's true that I
did not try to tweak it much, but the extension is really strong
even in its default configuration, so I definitely recommend it.
As for NoScript...
Developers undoubtebly made a great work in the core, but that
doesn't change anything on the fact that the interface is one big
mess!
Really, I was trying to unbreak some sites, and even though I was
successful to some extend, the process was terribly slow and
uncomfortable, not even knowing how many things did I broke on the
way.
However, if security is important for you, even NoScript is a
very strong weapon in its default configuration.
I personally use it in a very simple way. It's in blocking mode
by default, and when I need some site to work properly, I simply
give it the temporal permission to use JS, NoScript has an option
for this.
You can even set a keyboard shortcut for this, although for some
reason it doesn't work on my computer, I don't know why.
You may wonder, whether switching JS manually or by a simpler
extension wouldn't be more efficient.
Basically no. NoScript is much more than a simple JS blocker.
Even if you enable Js scripts, there are still ABE protection
(application boundaries enforcement) and other protection
mechanisms, which will protect you from various nasty attacks.
However, it's true that without dealing with the configuration,
using NoScript is not as simple as having an extension running.
So, it's upto every user to decide, how often are they visiting
JS dependend sites, and whether they are fine with giving them
their permissions all the time.
Second, on the topic of the F6 key.
Some blind people may somewhat naturally consider the keyboard
navigation to be mostly accessibility related thing, because they
use it day to day, while we don't see sighted folks often pressing
the tab key or anything similar. Heh, I have used computer as a
fully-sighted person for 5 years? as a kid, and I did not even
know what the tab key does, nor was I interested in finding out.
However, the truth is, that keyboard navigation as a feature is
completely independent on other accessibility technologies, and
even sighted people use it to increase their productivity, as it's
often faster for navigation than mouse.
However, the sighted perspective is kind of different from ours.
People don't need full environment navigation, nor are they
limited to see just one element of the screen at once like we do.
They see the interface and all they want is a quick keyboard
navigation between elements they want to use, not all components
of the interface.
And thus, splitting to separated panels makes a perfect sense.
Every panel contains components only relevant for it. For
example, Powerpoint if I remember right consisted of three panels.
One contained a list of slides in the presentation, second was
showing the selected slide and third was used as a menu for
various actions.
Sighted users see all three of them, so they know they're there,
but they usually focus on just one at a time. Therefore limiting
the tab movement speeds things up. When they need to move to
another, they can always use F6 or shift+F6 to quickly do so
without losing the position in the previous panel.
Now, as for accessibility, personally I think this is benefitial
even for us. Like yes, you are going to miss some components in
the initial lookup, but come on! There are many components that
don't get the focus anyway, for example labels. Labels are the
primary way of communication for an app, but you never focus them
nor are informed of their presence.
You need to flat review anyway, and this process should also
reveal the other panels if they're there.
The bigger issue I see here is, that keyboard navigation is by no
means standardized thing. The panels-like layout is rarely seen
implemented correctly in applications, and even Firefox for
example is not coherent in this.
For example, the addons confirmation requires F6, while dialogs
about allowing popup windows don't.
So, in practice, use guis anyway you like. And if you have
problems accessing something, try the F6 key, or look up for other
panel switching shortcuts, as apps can define their own.
Best regards
Rastislav
Dňa 25. 4. 2021 o 15:30 Jonesy Cee via
orca-list napísal(a):
What exactly is double F6 doing? It does work, but I am trying to
understand why to be able to use this command with other
applications. I have to alt tab back to Firefox after install,
does it always jump you out of the current window when doing this?
What other applications is this command used for and is there a
sign I can use to know when to use it? Example: is this usually
used for alerts or pop ups?
“ Never bend your head. Always hold it high.
Look the world straight in the eye.”
~ Helen Keller
It might be standard, but that doesn't
change the fact the Firefox
Notification bar used to be accessible among the
tabbable items above
the top of the page or below the bottom, that there
was no indication
of how to get to it when they made the change, or
the fact this change
is still tripping up people who don't know about F6
years after the
change was made... and as far as I know, this is the
only time one
needs this trick with Firefox, and considering that
Firefox is the
only thing stopping me from uninstalling Orca and
what remains of my
stripped down Xserver, it sticks out as a very
poorly thought out
change on the part of Firefox's UI devs... And hey,
even if other
applications make better use of multiple panels,
part of me says good
Keyboard UI design should dictate tabbing past the
last item in a
panel should take you to the next panel or
shift-tabbing past the
first item in a panel takes you to the previous
panel, and if Firefox
really is standard and tabbing generally loops
within the same panel,
I have to wonder how many blind users less
comfortable with the
command-line either disregard certain graphical
applications as
inaccessible or are ignorant of many of their
features because they
don't know about the F6 to switch panels trick.
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