Re: [orca-list] how accessible is google docs with orca

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>]

If google were to fund production of braille reference cards for at
least docs sheets and chromevox by national braille press at least the
braille users would have a better entry point into those products since
random acceess reading is possible with braille.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, Krishnakant Mane via orca-list wrote:

> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 00:34:33
> From: Krishnakant Mane via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
> Reply-To: Krishnakant Mane <kkmane riseup net>
> To: Al Sten-Clanton <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>,
>     Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>
> Cc: Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] how accessible is google docs with orca
>
>
> I have a few precise questions after this discussion.
>
> 1, can I do formatting in google docs?? Can I navigate headings etc?
>
> 2, Are formula accessible with the spreadsheet?
>
> 3, what about presentations?? How far they are accessible in terms of
> creating and presenting?
>
> On 16/06/20 4:18 am, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
> > Hi, Janina!?? Although I'd never wish it on anyone, I do appreciate
> > being able to share the mystery.?? My wife is connected with a lot of
> > people who just *love* the thing, and I'm somewhat involved in one of
> > those groups.
> >
> >
> > Best!
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > On 6/15/20 2:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Hi, Al:
> > >
> > > I do understand your frustration. I find Google Docs pretty frustrating
> > > whatever OS and screen reader combo I try, and I've tried several.
> > >
> > > It seems it's just it's own specialized skill, with lots of keyboard
> > > shortcuts one would have to become proficient with to get anywhere near
> > > similar access. I don't particularly have the inclination to give Google
> > > Docs that much of my life, but circumstances may yet push me there.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Al Sten-Clanton writes:
> > > > Janina, thank you for that information.?? I tried several times over
> > > > the
> > > > weekend to use a Google Docs spreadsheet and each time drew a complete
> > > > blank.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/15/20 7:03 AM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > Hi, Krishnakant:
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition to the tip to use Chromium already posted, let me offer to
> > > > > additional suggestions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.)??? The biggest problem for using Google Docs, imo, is that you
> > > > > need
> > > > > to learn an entire library of unique keyboard commands in order to use
> > > > > their products effectively. This has lead me to collect some bookmarks
> > > > > which I will now share:
> > > > >
> > > > > ????Google's general help guidance on using accessibility settings
> > > > > ????https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6282736?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&amp;hl=en
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ????Google's help page for using Google Docs and Screen Readers
> > > > > ????https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en
> > > > >
> > > > > ????Google help specific to spread sheets with a screen reader
> > > > > ????https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632199
> > > > >
> > > > > ????Help specific to functions and formulas
> > > > > ????https://support.google.com/docs/table/25273?page=table.cs&visit_id=0-636476581705697066-814509724&rd=1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ????Google's guidance on collaboration when using a screen reader
> > > > > ????https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6239410
> > > > >
> > > > > ????Script to convert a Google Doc to markdown:
> > > > > ????https://github.com/mangini/gdocs2md
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.)??? If all else fails, or you need a quick fix, saving your Google
> > > > > Docs file in Microsoft format will let you import it into
> > > > > LibreOffice. I
> > > > > understand there are extensions (and other strategies) that offer
> > > > > direct
> > > > > import/export to LibreOffice, but I have no direct experience of
> > > > > those.
> > > > > I would be curious to hear about that, should anyone have that kind of
> > > > > experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Googling for '+libreoffice +"Google Docs"'
> > > > >
> > > > > yields some fascinating reads.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishs, and hth,
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina
> > > > >
> > > > > Orca screen reader developers writes:
> > > > > > Hello all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will have to use google docs in a couple of days for some
> > > > > > collaboration work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't wish to use any other technologies just for this sake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I wish to know the state of accessibility with Orca.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can I edit documents?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about spreadsheets?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --?
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Krishnakant Mane,
> > > > > > Project Founder and Leader,
> > > > > > GNUKhata <https://gnukhata.in/>
> > > > > > //(Opensource Accounting, Billing and Inventory Management
> > > > > > Software)//
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