Re: [orca-list] Any idea what's happening here?

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Yeah, that was just me restarting Orca in debug mode, sitting idly until 
a notification appeared, then restarting. I thought I might be in the 
window switcher somehow, but I certainly didn't press any keys other 
than to restart Orca.


Ah well, sounds like a gnome-shell issue. Maybe I'll file it upstream 
once I figure out how to provide them with more debugging info. Thanks 
for parsing that debug log. It's quite a bit, and the focus changes 
happened so quickly that I couldn't really investigate.


On 11/15/19 10:18 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Not sure. But here's what I see in your debug.out:
>
> You're in Thunderbird in a message. A notification comes in ("it'll 
> eventually replace riot-android") and Orca presents it.
>
> Thunderbird then emits a window:deactivate event. This tells Orca 
> you're not in that Thunderbird window any more. I'm guessing this is 
> happening because gnome-shell is emitting a window:activate event 
> which tells Orca that you're in gnome-shell. gnome-shell then tells 
> orca a bush button whose name is "settings" is focused. That looks 
> like the window switcher. I don't see any keyboard events though. Did 
> you get into the window switcher yourself?
>
> Then in gnome-shell an object with role window claims to be focused.
>
> After that, Thunderbird claims to be focused again and you're back in 
> a message composition window.
>
> If that reflects your experience, then I guess it would be nice if 
> windows were not getting activated and deactivated each time a 
> notification came in.
>
> That said, rebooting seems a little extreme. Presumably there is a 
> process hanging around in the background that you could kill without 
> having to do that.
>
> On 11/15/19 10:16 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > Not sure if Orca can do anything about this, and I'm not immediately 
> > sure what triggers it, but this time I captured a debug.out. 
> > Sometimes I'll have an app open that sends desktop notifications, and 
> > will close it with Alt-F4. I imagine some of these apps continue 
> > running in the background--the Riot desktop IM client, in this 
> > instance. But whereas previous notifications spoke nicely, any future 
> > notifications (presumably from the closed app but I can't be sure) 
> > yank focus from wherever it is, throw it in a panel somewhere for a 
> > second or so, then return it to the app. I don't know if there is a 
> > different notification style for apps without an open window, but the 
> > only solution I've found is a reboot. Kind of hard to debug a thing 
> > if focus keeps bouncing out of the terminal, browser, etc. you're 
> > using for a second or so several times a minute. :)
> >
> >
> > This morning when I discovered the new details I reported on the Riot 
> > issue, I closed its desktop app and immediately noticed this 
> > behavior. While typing the previous message, I relaunched Orca with 
> > debug logging, sat around for a few seconds, and caught a log of 
> > this. Maybe nothing can be done about it, but I thought I'd ask. :)
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
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> >
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