Re: [orca-list] Orca should report locations of web elements

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hey Andy.

Sorry for the delay. Holidays followed by catching up on bigger issues.

I committed a change to master to present the size and position
information. If you are using flat review, it will provide it for the
current flat review item; otherwise it will present it for the
currently-focused item.

Note that contrary to your recommendation, I did not split this up into
two separate commands. There's just not that much information to be
presented. Especially not in brief *message* verbosity level (which is
not the same as the general speech verbosity level). Since the size
numbers are more likely to be smaller (at least in some use cases), I
put them first so that if what you care about is location, at least
you'll hear it without too much delay.

I hope that what I have committed addresses your needs. Please test and
let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/2/18 6:10 PM, sonfire11 gmail com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To make things simple, Orca can report like the following:
> For verbose verbosity level,
> Location: 200 from left, 300 from top
> Size: 400 wide, 700 tall.
>
> For brief verbosity level,
> Location: 300, 200
> Size: 400, 700
>
> I might recommend breaking the reporting of element location and element size into different keyboard 
> shortcuts. If I am trying to check the alignment/position of an element, I don't always want to hear its 
> size in the event I already know it. The same goes for location. If I am experimenting with the size of an 
> element, I may not need to hear its location every time I change the width or height. To give input on the 
> second part of the question, I don't normally see css provide locations of elements outside the range of 
> the current viewport. For example, I never see width: 7000; height: 5000, or top: 10000, left: 20000. In 
> the event the element does scroll off the page, then everything is relative to the viewport's content 
> margins. For example, If a link "about" is found at the bottom of a page, but the user had to scroll to 
> find it, then the top/left Orca reports is according to the top/left corner of the viewport window. In 
> general, it is the user's problem to figure out if content ran off the viewport area. Given this, the user 
> should have some way of seeing what content is in the viewable area of the browser window. I know moving 
> the system cursor scrolls the page. However, I don't know if the flat review shortcuts scroll page content, 
> or report what is on the visible screen. Let me know if you need to work through other issues on this.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> 
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 11:11 AM
> To: Andy Borka <sonfire11 gmail com>
> Cc: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca should report locations of web elements
>
> Hey Andy.
>
> I started working on this, but have some questions. First one is what should Orca say? Would "x pixels from 
> left edge. y pixels from top edge.
> Width: 123. Height: 456" work? Or did you have something else in mind?
>
> Another issue that occurs to me is that if you have scrolled the page content, you might get a value other 
> than what you expect. In other words, if you press Page Down, on a long page and then ask for the 
> coordinates, you're going to get a different value than if you pressed
> Ctrl+Home on that same page and then asked for the coordinates. Is it
> the end user's responsibility to know how the page is scrolled and take that into account when getting the 
> numbers from Orca?
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 10/16/18 3:22 PM, Andy Borka via orca-list wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > It is critical that a web developer know where he or she places html 
> > elements on a page. Therefore, I am requesting a feature that can tell 
> > me the pixel coordinates of a particular element such as text, a link, 
> > headings, paragraphs, lists/list items, and so on. It would also be 
> > nice if Orca can tell me the physical size of each element in pixels. 
> > What do you think?
> >
> > JAWS/NVDA already does this, so I know it is possible.
> >
> >
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