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Re: [orca-list] No speech from orca in GUI in arch but espeakup works fine.

Hi Matthew,

Te post to which I answer now was not sent to the list.

Answering inline:

On 01/08/2019 23:07, ilovecountrymusic483 gmail com wrote:

Dirring the install of both base and base-devel espeak 1.48 did get install and that is what espeakup is 
using.  I did try to install espeak-ng from the arch official repo with sudo pacman -S espeak-ng and all went 
well until it told me that espeak and espeak-ng werwe in conflict and I said yes to remove espeak but was 
told that pacman could not satisfy dependences.  Any ideas on how to get around this one.  Thanks all.


The issue is that in Arch espeakup is built against espeak, not espeak-ng, so if you remove espeak, espeakup 
will fail.

The right thing to do, I think, is to rebuilt espeakup against espeak-ng.

Then you will be able to remove espeak.

for that it suffices, I think, to replace in this PKGBUILD:
https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/espeakup
line 22, this:
  make
by that:
  make LDLIBS='-lespeak-ng -lpthread'
I do not run Arch so do not know how an end user can rebuild a package, hopefully someone will tell you.

Meanwhile I CC Chris in case he wants to make this change for all.

And of course you can use Slint, where it's already done ;)

Best,

Didier


-----Original Message-----
From: Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:28 PM
To: Peter Vágner <pvagner pvagner tk>; orca-list gnome org; Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>; matthew dyer 
<ilovecountrymusic483 gmail com>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] No speech from orca in GUI in arch but espeakup works fine.

Hello Peter, Matthew and everybody else,

Answer inline

On 01/08/2019 21:10, Peter Vágner wrote:

My experience is that speech-dispatcher no longer works well with
eSpeak it's working fine with eSpeak-ng.

I just re-installed espeak-1.48.04 (that I don't ship in Slint anymore) then rebuilt Speech-Dispatcher from 
git master with these options:
--with-espeak=yes --with-espeak-ng=no
with no issue.

spd-say -o espeak Hello says "Hello" and orca speaks with an espeak voice.

I think that's an Arch packaging issue. Looking at:
https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/speech-dispatcher
I assume that the espeak module was not built, because espeak was not installed when building the package.

So if Matthew installed espeak not espeak-ng, this would explain that.

If I am correct, removing espeak then installing espeak-ng should solve the issue

Looking at the logs of speech-dispatcher could indeed help investigate.

Greetings,

Didier

Dňa August 1, 2019 1:41:51 PM UTC používateľ Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com> napísal:

That's no guarrantee it got compiled correctly.  archlinux has
makepkg which you get after pacman -S base-devel unless it's already
on your machine and with that you can build your own version of any
of the archlinux packages.

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, matthew dyer via orca-list wrote:


Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 09:37:38
From: matthew dyer via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Reply-To: matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483 gmail com>
To: Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] No speech from orca in GUI in arch but

espeakup works

       fine.

Also. Easpeak-by is in the afisial arch repo. I used the Pac-Man -S

Espeak-NG when I got the error. HTH.

Matthew

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 31, 2019, at 11:39 PM, Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>

wrote:


Hello,

In my opinion it's better to just write LDLIBS='-lespeak-ng

-lpthread'

in the 'make' command (as we do in Slint) when compiling than

modifying

the Makefile upstream, knowing that some distributions still ship
espeak, so forking he repo just for that can be confusing for

packages

maintainers.

Furthermore, in the initial post Matthew didn't mention an issue

with

espeakup but with Orca.

Best,

Didier



On 31/07/2019 22:24, ????????? ??????????? via orca-list wrote:
hello. i think that problem is because ArchLinux switched to

espeak-ng. and speatch-despatcher requires it. espeakup currently
uses old espeak witch conflicts with ng variant.

I recommend you install espeak-ng. but espeakup will not work.
here I created espeakup source code which are compatible with

espeak-ng https://github.com/alex19EP/espeakup-ng

31.07.2019 19:29, matthew dyer via orca-list ?????:

Is there a way to disable the screen saver with speakup? Is there

a wiki link to the orca or what? I am not sure what the screen saver
has to do with orca, but will take a look. I don?t recall having to
doing anything to get orca running before. I think it was a Chang in
arch at some point.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 31, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>

wrote:


There are some gsettings commands to try.
One of the problems is the screen saver is running and it will

help to

disable that.  Once you get into g.u.i. try screen-reader

--replace

<enter> from the alt-f2 command prompt.  That may be enough to

get stuff

going a little more.


On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, matthew dyer wrote:

Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:11:04
From: matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483 gmail com>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
Cc: orca list <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] No speech from orca in GUI in arch but

espeakup works

       fine.

Hi, orca comes up, but without speech. After installing mate

and orca I did the following command. farting set org.mate.interface
accessibility true which worked. There is just no speech in GUI. I am
using GDM as my login manager if that matters.

Matthew

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Jude DaShiell

<jdashiel panix com> wrote:


Doing the gsettings steps to enable accessibility helps with

that

problem.  I think you can find them on the orca documentation

wiki.

Fortunately, you can do all of those commands in espeak on the

console.

Then if what you installed was mate alt-f2 screen-reader

otherwise

alt-f2 orca should work the first time.


On Tue, 30 Jul 2019, matthew dyer via orca-list wrote:

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 21:48:00
From: matthew dyer via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Reply-To: matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483 gmail com>
To: orca list <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] No speech from orca in GUI in arch but

espeakup works

     fine.

Hi all,

Yesterday I installed arch using the tarch image from the

talking arch site and all went well but afterr installing a GUI and
starting orca I found that though audio sounds work fine, orca is
silent and I am not sure why.  Any idea how to fix this?  Espeakup
works fine and so I am wondering if it is an audio thing with pulse
audio or something else.  I could try to change the audio out to
also, but wanted to see if anyone else had this happen and how did
they fix this.  Thanks.


Matthew


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