Re: [orca-list] Clickable table rows on the web

[Mallory <stommepoes stommepoes nl>]

Ooooh, these drive me nuts. This is absolutely author error and at least now it can be considered illegal due 
to laws formed from the UN directive, no?
-Mallory

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, at 10:52 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Peter.
>
> I'll take a look. And thanks for the test case.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 4/23/19 4:36 PM, Peter Vágner via orca-list wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Sometimes I am coming up with strange web authoring issues captured from
> > the wild of the web.
> > Now it's another of such a rare moments.
> >
> > Sometimes web app authors tend to use HTML tables instead of lists to
> > create multi column list like widgets.
> > When they are creating such widgets it's still quite common that
> > keyboard access ends up not implemented.
> > With such a widget table rows are resembling items of an interactive
> > list. Clicking the table row either selects the item or activates it.
> >
> > What I have just found out is that orca does not list clickable table
> > rows and possibly another page elements as clickables. And it neither
> > presents these in the list of clickable elements.
> >
> > When considering clickables orca examines if an object is not focusable
> > and is not a so called focus mode widget.
> >
> > Typical focus mode widgets are text entries, comboboxes, list boxes,
> > slider, spin button and similar. These are easy because their are
> > usually actionable from the keyboard out of the box.
> > When looking at orca web script utilities, Table cell, table row and
> > list item are also focus mode widgets. Most likelly I can't imagine all
> > the use cases my-self and I can't describe why that is a good idea.
> > However these should only be considered focus mode widgets when they
> > either receive focus or claim that their are able to receive focus.
> > When this is used for switching focus vs browse mode after receiving an
> > event this is all fine.
> > However when looking for clickables we are currently looking for not
> > focusable objects as well as for objects that are not focus mode widgets.
> > I think this needs reconsideration because if a widget can be considered
> > focus mode widget it should be focusable and keyboard controllable. And
> > when looking for clickables we are naturally looking for not focusable
> > elements.
> >
> > I know this needs more thinking however I'd like to be able to click on
> > such clickable table rows in the online banking web app I am currently
> > using it's why I have started this.
> >
> > I have attached a little example document showcasing what I am looking for.
> >
> > Can this be reconsidered or can you suggest something else?
> >
> > I know this is perhaps very rare and is certainly an authoring issue
> > rather than orca issue however it really drives me crazy when paying my
> > bills each month.
> >
> > I have already contacted my bank technical support about this however
> > nothing has changed for a few months so I'm trying my luck here.
> >
> > BTW a lot of people in the central europe might be affected by this. At
> > least this banking app called George is knowingly being used in
> > Slovakia, Czech republic, Austria, Romania and Croatia and perhaps more
> > countries to follow.
> > Unfortunatelly accessibilitywise it has a lot of unimplemented features
> > i.e. menus do have aria markup but lack keyboard controls. Form
> > navigation is altered significantly. Links and buttons are not
> > activatable via the keyboard. Some decorative images have text
> > descriptions and interactive image controls may miss those and similar.
> > Heh but look at their web site how cool their marketing looks like :P 
> > https://george-labs.com/
> > Most of its defects can be worked around by existing orca features
> > however I am unable to compensate for that broken accessibility
> > implementation of their transfers list using HTML table with clickable
> > rows under the hood.
> >
> > Excuse me for the rant and thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
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