Re: [orca-list] Clickable table rows on the web

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hey Peter.

I'll take a look. And thanks for the test case.

--joanie

On 4/23/19 4:36 PM, Peter Vágner via orca-list wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sometimes I am coming up with strange web authoring issues captured from
> the wild of the web.
> Now it's another of such a rare moments.
>
> Sometimes web app authors tend to use HTML tables instead of lists to
> create multi column list like widgets.
> When they are creating such widgets it's still quite common that
> keyboard access ends up not implemented.
> With such a widget table rows are resembling items of an interactive
> list. Clicking the table row either selects the item or activates it.
>
> What I have just found out is that orca does not list clickable table
> rows and possibly another page elements as clickables. And it neither
> presents these in the list of clickable elements.
>
> When considering clickables orca examines if an object is not focusable
> and is not a so called focus mode widget.
>
> Typical focus mode widgets are text entries, comboboxes, list boxes,
> slider, spin button and similar. These are easy because their are
> usually actionable from the keyboard out of the box.
> When looking at orca web script utilities, Table cell, table row and
> list item are also focus mode widgets. Most likelly I can't imagine all
> the use cases my-self and I can't describe why that is a good idea.
> However these should only be considered focus mode widgets when they
> either receive focus or claim that their are able to receive focus.
> When this is used for switching focus vs browse mode after receiving an
> event this is all fine.
> However when looking for clickables we are currently looking for not
> focusable objects as well as for objects that are not focus mode widgets.
> I think this needs reconsideration because if a widget can be considered
> focus mode widget it should be focusable and keyboard controllable. And
> when looking for clickables we are naturally looking for not focusable
> elements.
>
> I know this needs more thinking however I'd like to be able to click on
> such clickable table rows in the online banking web app I am currently
> using it's why I have started this.
>
> I have attached a little example document showcasing what I am looking for.
>
> Can this be reconsidered or can you suggest something else?
>
> I know this is perhaps very rare and is certainly an authoring issue
> rather than orca issue however it really drives me crazy when paying my
> bills each month.
>
> I have already contacted my bank technical support about this however
> nothing has changed for a few months so I'm trying my luck here.
>
> BTW a lot of people in the central europe might be affected by this. At
> least this banking app called George is knowingly being used in
> Slovakia, Czech republic, Austria, Romania and Croatia and perhaps more
> countries to follow.
> Unfortunatelly accessibilitywise it has a lot of unimplemented features
> i.e. menus do have aria markup but lack keyboard controls. Form
> navigation is altered significantly. Links and buttons are not
> activatable via the keyboard. Some decorative images have text
> descriptions and interactive image controls may miss those and similar.
> Heh but look at their web site how cool their marketing looks like :P 
> https://george-labs.com/
> Most of its defects can be worked around by existing orca features
> however I am unable to compensate for that broken accessibility
> implementation of their transfers list using HTML table with clickable
> rows under the hood.
>
> Excuse me for the rant and thanks for the help.
>
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>
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