Re: [orca-list] Regression: Orca says "no focus" on Thunderbird when opening a mail

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

I've just removed the message. The problem is that if I increase the
timeout sufficiently to insure it's 100% accurate, most users will have
decided Orca is not going to say anything and something must be wrong.
At that point, they'll likely Alt+Tab or get into the run dialog or
something. <insert shrug here>

On 09/13/2018 07:06 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> In all honesty, the "no focus" alerts are pretty much spurious noise for
> me. Every app I use is accessible, and I get this alert all the time,
> usually when alt-tabbing between windows. I tune it out at this point,
> so if an app is inaccessible, my first clue to that will likely be that
> I can't interact with it, not that I heard "No focus" in this instance
> and thought "Ah, *this* 1 in 10 thousandth time is accurate." :)
>
>
> I'd suggest either removing it entirely, or setting the timer insanely
> high. I can't see a timer being reliable across an entire hardware
> lineup spanning decades, and especially since in my experience
> accessibility performance seems to degrade if I don't reboot every week
> or so. So you have variability not only in hardware, but in performance
> on the same hardware at day 1 of uptime vs. day 8 of uptime. What we
> seem to have now is an alert with a very high false positive rate that
> makes it non-helpful.
>
>
> On 09/13/2018 04:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > Hey Joany, I was doing some experimenting since I was bored and at
> > least from my basic testing I do think the timer before Orca says no
> > focus needs to be longer, since if I open the Brisk menu it says no
> > focus then immediately once Orca's done speaking, it acts as if the
> > menu's in focus. Is the timer hardware related, as it happens more on
> > my older and slower desktop system, than my faster laptop so just
> > wondering if there's any truth to the whole idea that the timer's
> > hardware specific or not
> >
> >
> > On 13/09/18 09:07, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > Hello Joanie,
> > >
> > > Do you plan to fix this or revert this for 3.30?
> > >
> > > Another user impact is when Orca thinks you're in on a inaccessible
> > > application it seems no Orca command works. In my situation it's the
> > > command to turned off Orca. I often have to do alt+tab to be able to
> > > close Orca.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > > Le 07/09/2018 à 13:11, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > > Saying "no focus" was added so that when you wind up in a place that is
> > > > not accessible, Orca says something rather than nothing. There's a
> > > > delay
> > > > built in to wait in case something is about to claim focus, perhaps it
> > > > needs to be longer.
> > > >
> > > > --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On 09/07/2018 06:25 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Environment:
> > > > > - Debian Stretch with an upgraded a11y stack
> > > > > - Orca master
> > > > > - Thunderbird 52.9.1, mail are opened in a separate window in my
> > > > > Thunderbird configuration
> > > > >
> > > > > This issue is not easy to reproduce, what I've seen is when you're
> > > > > opening a mail sometime Orca says "no focus". I don't understand why
> > > > > Orca says that right now, in 3.28 this issue doesn't happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steps I've done with a mail I've encounter the issue:
> > > > > 1) Open the mail, move the caret at the top of the mail
> > > > > 2) Directly close the mail with ctrl+w
> > > > > 3) Open the mail with the return key
> > > > >
> > > > > I've generated a debug out:
> > > > > https://framabin.org/p/?4398c7b95cf25769#ClvXDHLQxjn24Q2cGVsATptkBdcc5D71jTmmg6IlNbQ=
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards.
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