Hi, I'm sorry for the very late reply, yes things are much better now! Thanks again! Thanks, Brandon On 11/21/18, Peter Vágner <pvagner pvagner tk> wrote:
Hello, I think this is now solved. Comboboxes are working fine for me now. I have tested those found in screen reader preferences window and also on the pidgin new account screen. Greetings Peter Dňa 21. 11. 2018 o 2:52 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):Hi Brandon. I made a significant improvement to the performance of unrelated labels. Could you please pull master and see if things are better for you? Thanks! --joanie On 11/3/18 3:41 PM, Brandon Tyson wrote:Hello, I bisected the commits and here is what I see from the log that may help: # first bad commit: [a39d5f07fc76177755bc1286dbc7c4d6d95e219c] Include unrelated labels in panel context As I look at this it makes logical sense why it would be doing this. Thanks, Brandon On 11/2/18, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:You could. Better still would be a git bisect so that we know the commit in which the sluggishness was introduced. Thanks! --joanie On 11/2/18 8:40 AM, Brandon Tyson via orca-list wrote:Hello, Would you like me to send a debug from Orca 3.28.0 to see if there are differences between that and 3.30.0? Thanks, Brandon On 11/1/18, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:Hi Brandon. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I thought the sluggishness might be due to the number of items in the combobox (even when you're not interacting with them) because Orca is looking for static text it might need to present. I'll have to give it some more thought. --joanie On 10/30/18 11:37 PM, Brandon Tyson via orca-list wrote:Hello, I can choose among the different languages, meaning that only languages show up, not languages with their individual variants. Is this what you were asking me about? I just want to make sure I'm understanding so we're on the same page. Thanks again for your help, Brandon On 10/30/18, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:Sorry, to be clear I'm not asking what voice you are using; I'm asking how many different voices you can choose from if you went into the combo box containing them all. --joanie On 10/30/18 5:30 PM, Brandon Tyson wrote:Hi, No, I haven't enabled those. I'm just using the regular voice on American English. Thanks, Brandon On 10/30/18, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:Is there any chance you have enabled all the voice variants in speech-dispatcher? --joanie On 10/30/18 4:33 PM, Brandon Tyson wrote:Hi, No. It's immediately after that, where I tabbed from the voice tab to where Orca syas "Voice Type Settings panel". That lag with switching tabs was always present for me so I didn't really take note of it as a bug. Are you able to see where I tabbed from the voice tab to the spot whre Orca says "voice type settings panel"? Thanks again for your help with trying to figure this out, Brandon On 10/30/18, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:Thanks for sending your debug.out. Looking at the output, there is around one second between Orca saying you are on the general page tab and Orca saying you're on the voices page tab. Is this one second the lag you are referring to? --joanie On 10/29/18 8:12 PM, Brandon Tyson wrote:Hello, I think I can do this, but there's one thing I'm unsure about. What folder will the debug file go into? Thanks again for your help, Brandon On 10/29/18, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:I cannot reproduce this either. Just tried with Orca master. An audio recording wouldn't help. If there's a lag, all a recording would tell me is that you aren't making it up; not what the problem is. I need to know what the problem is in order to fix it -- assuming the problem is in Orca (i.e. as opposed to AT-SPI2, Gtk+, etc.). A full debug.out can sometimes provide some insight as to where the failure might be. Information on obtaining one can be found here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/Debugging. Please send the result to me privately or put it in a pastebin-like service as the mailing list tends to reject large files. Thanks! --joanie On 10/29/18 5:06 PM, Didier Spaier wrote:Hi, I am puzzled, as when doing the same thing I observe no lag at all, using Orca pulled from git and dated Tue Jul 17 12:29:12 2018 I will upgrade to 3.31 if I can do that without upgrading the dependencies and see what I come with Didier On 29/10/2018 16:12, Brandon Tyson wrote:Hi, It's when I tab into the voice type settings panel. So, I press caps lock+space, right arrow to voice tab, then press tab, and it lags right there. None of the other panels do this. I'll see if I can make an audio recording if it would help. But it's definitely noticeable. I do have the tlp battery saving utility installed, but this was the case when I was using Orca 3.28 as well and it did not lag like this, so I'm quite certain it's an issue recently introduced in Orca. Thanks, Brandon On 10/29/18, Didier Spaier <didier slint fr> wrote:Hello, there several settings accessible from the Voice tab. Which one are you using when you get this lag and in which context? I ask because the only case where I get a lag (and I know why) is when choosing an espeak-ng voice in the Person drop-down list if the variants are enabled in Speech Dispatcher. Didier On 29/10/2018 14:24, Brandon Tyson via orca-list wrote:Hello, I can still definitely reproduce the lag in the voice type settings panel. I just installed Orca master after making sure it was completely up to date and it's still happening. Thanks, B On 10/29/18, Andy Borka via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:Maybe this is related to the type of GPU on the laptops? I don't have any noticeable lag that I am aware. Here is my GPU for further reference. lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 [01;31m [KVGA [K compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) 00:13.0 Non- [01;31m [KVGA [K unclassified device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP Integrated Sensor Hub (rev 21)] On 10/28/18 10:57 PM, Kyle via orca-list wrote: Andy Borka via orca-list aliandika: >> # Best recommendation is to get a better computer at some point. > That dependds on how you define better. First of all, I personally > define a better computer as one that doesn't break the bank, either at > purchase time or during a month of daily usage. I currently have 4 to > 5 computers running at any one time, and they altogether use about 20% > of the power used by the monster beasty I had that finally died > earlier this year, and any one of them is capable of being powered by > a standard USB cell phone battery for anywhere from 6 to 16 hours or > more. I consider any one of these to be a better computer. Now for the > most relevant point. A screen reader should run smoothly on any > computer that is capable of running a supported desktop. The work-around for a bug or other performance issue that is causing a screen reader to lag is not to "get a better computer." I understand that computers with less RAM can't be tested by some people because they don't have such machines with which to test, but "get a bettercomputer," read more expensive for better, is just not a good > work-around for a performance bug that can be traced to the screen > reader. These are in fact valid bugs, and shouldn't be dismissed out > of hand because of the hardware on which they were found. > And now to try to reproduce and/or confirm the bugs. Full disclosure, > I'm running ArchLinuxARM with Orca pulled 2 days ago from git on an > ODroid C2. This machine has 2GB of RAM, a quad-core A53 64-bit > processor running at 1.5GHz, and a 128GB SSD with a connected 3TB USB > spinning hard disk. The OS runs from the SSD,and includes MATE 1.20.3. > Brandon Tyson via orca-list aliandika: # 1. As of Orca 3.29, and continuing into at least Orca 3.30.0, when you # tab into the voice type settings panel in Orca's preferences dialog on # the voice tab, there is a very noticeable lag that was not present# before, and Orca does not announce anything else until it recovers > # from the lag. Could this possibly be fixed? I do notice a slight lag, less than a second, as soon as the preferences window opens, but the voice tab is running smoothly here. So this one is either not affecting me, or has been fixed. I can't tell for sure either way. > # 2. Orca really seems to lag when reading through websites in Firefox. > # When I up and down arrow, and there's a lot of links, images, entries, > # anything other than just simple text for the most part, it takes Orca > # some time to read, and this is especially a lot more noticeable on > # lower end systems. Confirmed. However, I have usually attributed this slowness to Firefox more than to Orca, as much of the same lag is present on many of thesame websites in Seamonkey and Firefox, but Chromium doesn't lag on > most of these same websites. It's definitely worth looking into, but > may be a Mozilla bug rather than an Orca bug. Unfortunately there > really isn't any other screen reader that I can use to help me > determine where the problem may be. The best site to use for testing > that doesn't require any login information is > https://figgers.com/ > which is practically unusable in both Firefox and Seamonkey with Orca, > but seems to work quite well in Chromium. > # 3. For me, in general, to get Orca to run well I have to have a super > # high end system. Another system a friend of mine has is using Orca > # 3.28.0, and Ubuntu Mate 18.04 with 1 gb of RAM and Orca is extremely > # sluggish. When they change Orca settings and press the "OK" button, > # Orca says "screen reader settings reloaded", but then takes a good 5 > # to 7 seconds before it announces the Desktop.Confirmed. This sluggishness isn't limited to changing settings and > reloading using the OK button however. I find that it can take > anywhere from 0 up to 5 to 6 seconds to announce either the desktop or > the currently focused window if I toggle Orca off and then back on. > Unfortunately, this one is not 100% reproduceable. It's rather hit or > miss here, happening maybe 60 to 70% of the time, and as I said, it's > quite variable in nature. # 4. When navigating in general, if you don't have a super high end# system, Orca seems to lag, for example, even when going through the > # alt f1 menus in Ubuntu Mate. > Confirmed, although the lag isn't very long here, only about 0.2 to > maybe 0.3 seconds at most as I navigate through the menu. Looks like > some of this could be related to accessible event floods, but I'm not > sure. Most of the time, I don't notice this when navigating, but yes, > I do see it in the MATE menu system, probably more in the main applications menu than any other menu or in the applications submenus. Again, in the places where I see it, it's really not extremely sluggish, just a bit noticeable. So I will say it's confirmed here. It does also appear to corolate with CPU speed or the number of threads available, as I don't notice the sluggishness in the menu so much onmy XU4, which has 4 32-bit A15 cores running at 2GHz and 4 32-bit A7 > cores running at 1.4GHz, and also has 2GB of RAM. I hope this > information can help track down some of these sluggish areas at least > a little.Imetumwa kutoka Orca > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list gnome org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.htmlLog bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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