Hello,I think I have found even more verbose example of this issue in the wild. Guessing from that many more dialog windows might be affected. Thinking out loud perhaps it is extremelly dificult to get the dialog windows including those dialogs found on the web right. I think you can remember me asking for a change related to aria dialogs on the web a few months ago and perhaps this is a side effect of those changes.
Steps:Launch thunderbird and start composing a new message. Once email address and subjects are filled press ctrl+enter to send the message. Thunderbird won't immediatelly send the message but it will display a confirmation dialog.
On my system I can hear the following immediatelly after pressing ctrl+enterSend message, Are you sure you are ready to send this message? Are you sure you are ready to send this message? Send message frame, Send message dialog window, Are you sure you are ready to send this message? Send button
I am also attaching a debug.out coresponding with the part where I'm pressing ctrl+enter and orca presents the dialog.
Note I usually don't pay enough attention to these things I don't mind my-self if things stay the way they are now in regard to this. I am usually just skipping orca from reporting all of this. I was only trying to make up my mind regarding over verbosity related issue Alex has brought up for discussion yesterday. While he has pointed out users he provides training to don't like how verbose reporting of the desktop is I thought they might actually hate this too.
Greetings Peter Dňa 17.05.2018 o 12:46 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):
Hi Peter. Could you please send me a full debug.out on the Thunderbird popup with the extra chattiness? Thanks! --joanie On 05/17/2018 04:10 AM, Peter Vágner via orca-list wrote:Hello, I think suppressing the frame is very difficult if not impossible. Perhaps while switching windows when pressing alt+tab we might be able to elliminate reporting of window or suppress the role (not accessible name) of the frame. However I don't know if this can be relyably detected or this might introduce unwanted side effects elsewhere. I don think supressing role reporting of all the frames is a good idea without trying to think about possible side effects first. On a related note perhaps evaluating the presentation of focus changes when it involves handling ancestors / descendants / parent accessible objects is even more usefull when we are looking about streamlining the verbosity. For example I do have s/mime certificates for some of my email accounts in thunderbird and for others I have not. Thunderbird sometimes popups a dialog for me that asks me about the my identity. And it sounds like the the dialog title is reported three times. First with no role reported, then with frame role and finally with a role of dialog. I don't think this is urgent, I would just like to point out that I guess this might be better direction than supressing reporting of some roles and states globally. Greetings Peter Dňa 16.05.2018 o 19:27 Kyle napísal(a):My position is probably unpopular, but I'm going with no. Because speech is a necessarily slow interface, less is more, and all time savings, no matter how small, is always helpful. Imetumwa kutoka simu yangu _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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