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Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business

I think you mean Darwin. AFAIK, there is no direct connection between Darwin and core wars. Core wars is like an open source version of Darwin but I don't think the people at Bell Labs had anything to do with it. Possibly the creators of core wars got the idea from Darwin but I think more likely it is just such an obvious concept that it was invented twice independently. But, anyway, I think the point the people at Bell Labs are making is that hacking computers was invented about 5 minutes after computers were invented. The concepts grew up together. It seems extremely unlikely that any hack invented at Bell Labs in the 1960s is relevant today. The basic concepts might be but those are hardly secret. 




On 05/08/2018 07:09 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Actually, the virus isn't the child of Microsoft.  You have to know malware history, but from the 1950's until 1982 people over at Bell Labs were playing a game they called corewars.  That game and what it did when disclosed by a Bell Labs employee who swore he would never disclose it was the mother of all malware. 

On Tue, 8 May 2018, Krishnakant Mane wrote:


Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 06:38:38
From: Krishnakant Mane <kkmane riseup net>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>,
    kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>,
    "orca-list gnome org" <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business


Absolutely,

Thanks jude.
That's the reason that although in theory there can be viruses made for Linux as well, the practicality makes it such a hard job that it's a bad incentive to make one.
Needless to say that Virus being the baby child of Microsoft and the likes has an entire business eco system behind it. 

Think how anti virus companies earn money?
Coming to business aspect, I guess the other advantage is that most proprietary programs have an open source or free (as in freedom ) alternative. 

This brings down the Total Ownership TOC cost down drastically.
Orca has particularly done great off late and for last 1 or 2 years it has seen the golden days of accessibility which I hope will only increase. 

Joanie and the rest of hackers have done an outstanding fantabulous job.

Happy hacking.

Krishnakant.


On Tuesday 08 May 2018 03:21 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

 Protection goes a little farther than that, directories or folders have
 their own sets of permissions and if memory serves devices which are above 
 directories in the hierarchy can have their own permissions as well.

 On Tue, 8 May 2018, Krishnakant Mane wrote:


 Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 01:37:03
 From: Krishnakant Mane <kkmane riseup net>
 To: kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>,
 ??? "orca-list gnome org" <orca-list gnome org>
 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business
 On the security side I might just add that Linux follows some standards 
 which make it practically next to impossible for making virus.
 The thing is that there are sets of permissions for every file aka read, 
 write and execute.
 although downloading software that you don't trust may damage either your  user account or entire OS, there is no such Windows style virus where the  thing can automatically "infect " your machine and self execute without 
 you even knowing it.
 As Kendle properly pointed out, if you know what you are doing, then you 
 are very secured.
 This is unlike Windows, where no matter how much you know, there is still 
 great possibility of some thing automatically infecting your OS, even
 when you just insert pen drive or that sort.

 Happy hacking.

 Krishnakant.


 On Tuesday 08 May 2018 10:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:


 ?Hi
 ?I?ll second this, adding that I personally prefer the mate desktop, but 
 ?either mate or gnome work equally well, and gnome has some online
 ?integration with services like google drive and iCloud that mate
 currently
 ?doesn?t have. The only thing that Linux does not do very well, and this 
 is
 ?my own personal opinion is syncing apple media players like iPods and  ?iPads, although it can be done with apps like gtkpod, gtkpod has some  ?accessibility issues. Depending on your business Linux might serve you  ?very well or it isn?t even an option. I will add that for most general  ?business tasks, word processing, calendaring, email, web browsing Linux  ?works well. As for viruses, you are extremely unlikely to get malware 
 if
 ?you use software available from your local software app, like software 
 ?boutique for ubuntu or the official repositories of whatever Linux
 distro
 ?you pick. It is still theoretically possible, but you have to work hard 
 at
 ?it to manage it. Software package managers like apt verify packages
 with
 ?unique hashes and won?t allow you to install software that doesn?t
 match
 ?those hashes by default, though this can be worked around if needed,
 it?s
 ?not a good idea to do so unless you know what you?re doing. Opinions
 ?differ on orca?s suitability as a day to day screen reader, my personal  ?opinion is that it works very well. It has bugs like all software does,  ?some of them annoying, but joanie does a fantastic job, and not just of  ?fixing orca bugs, but bugs in other pieces of accessibility software. 
 ?Linux also has apps for other disabilities, like onboard on screen
 ?keyboard and magnifiers, the best integrated into the gnome desktop and 
 ?the compiz window manager.

 ?Thanks

 ?Kendell Clark

 ?*From: *Christopher Chaltain <mailto:chaltain gmail com>
 ?*Sent: *Monday, May 7, 2018 6:16 PM
 ?*To: *Krishnakant Mane <mailto:kkmane riseup net>; sonfire11 gmail com 
 ?<mailto:sonfire11 gmail com>; orca-list gnome org
 ?<mailto:orca-list gnome org>
 ?*Subject: *Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 18.04 used for general business
 ?Linux is safer then other operating systems, but it isn't virus free. 
 ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
 ?I find Gnome to be your most accessible option, but I do know Mate is a 
 ?very popular desktop, especially among the blind.

 ?On 05/07/2018 07:03 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

 ???? Hi,

 ???? Firstly, ubuntu or any GNU/Linux brand for that matter is virus
 free.

 ???? There is a lot of stability and ease of working.

 ???? You can try GNUKhata an accounting software if your business is
 ???? big enough.? <testing.gnukhata.in> will give you the live demo.
 ???? If the work is very small and you want a stand-alone software, you 
 ???? can try GNUCash, although I must warn that a lot of features are
 ???? primitive/ missing.
 ???? Another thing about? Ubuntu is that there is a lot of us who help 
 ???? people do their computing with total comfort.

 ???? Now a days a lot of huge and medium enterprises are using Ubuntu
 ???? in their offices.
 ???? I would recommend using Ubuntu-mate 18.04 for best accessibility. 

 ???? Spreadsheets are also working pretty much fine as far as
 ???? accessibility is concerned.

 ???? You may have to spend a little while to learn Orca.

 ???? Things like alt for menus and cut copy paste shortcuts are same.

 ???? Alt + f4 will close the application.

 ???? Most names of the menus in programs are also same.

 ???? So go ahead and feel those advantages for 0 cost!

 ???? happy hacking.

 ???? Krishnakant.

 ???? On Monday 07 May 2018 04:58 PM, sonfire11 gmail com
 ???? <mailto:sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:

 ???????? Hi,

 ???????? I will soon be a business owner. I want to know the benefits
 ???????? of using Ubuntu 18.04 over Windows 10 for general business
 ???????? scenarios. What are the pros/cons? What is better from an
 ???????? accessibility perspective? What financial record keeping apps 
 ???????? are accessible? What about presentations?




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