Re: [orca-list] extremely exasperated with orca 3.27 and ubuntu mate 18.04

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I think this is great that people are looking at issues with Orca 27 and 
Ubuntu 18.04. Ubuntu 18.04 won't be released until the end of April, so 
if there's something that needs to be addressed in Ubuntu, it'll be good 
to get them addressed before Ubuntu 18.04 is released on April 26.


On 03/20/2018 03:12 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Thanks Kendell.
>
> I'll look through what you sent me tomorrow as I'm finishing up another
> task today. But in answer to your question, if Orca is processing things
> immediately and there are no giant processing times in the debug.out,
> that usually means that AT-SPI2 is doing lots of work. What's triggering
> that AT-SPI2 work takes a bit more investigation. Maybe Orca asked
> AT-SPI2 for something resulting in AT-SPI2 doing lots of work to answer.
> Maybe it's something the app itself is doing spewing an insane amount of
> accessibility events and flooding AT-SPI2.
>
> Hopefully I'll have a clue tomorrow.
> --joanie
>
> On 03/20/2018 03:51 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > This is confusing. Looking at the debug log, orca seems to be responding
> > instantly. But why does it feel laggy? Orca takes milliseconds to
> > process, but yet it takes seconds to respond to an arrow key, or typed
> > characters. I'm not seeing any obvious lag, but orca just feels ... not
> > horribly slow or anything, but noticeably slow. If you arrow around
> > rapidly orca doesn't respond rapidly. There's a noticeable delay. It
> > does keep up, for the most part but it takes it a bit. Firefox can
> > really slow it to a crawl if the site is complex. It also doesn't seem
> > to be honoring the setting to not present a summary of the page, so you
> > might be right joanie and there may be bugs in the gsettings patch. I
> > wish ubuntu had just shipped orca exactly as you released it, it
> > would've saved you having to read an email full of rants and me feeling
> > like I was accusing you of having bugs when they're not your bugs.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kendell Clark
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/20/2018 02:39 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > hi
> > >
> > > I haven't tried that yet, but if you can't fix this bug I may have to.
> > > The one thing I'm not sure of is my ability to build orca from source.
> > > Building packages on ubuntu is ... well, not hard exactly but not
> > > simple either. But I may have to try it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Kendell Clark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/20/2018 02:11 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > Sorry for being spammy. But in addition to the full debug.out, have you
> > > > tried using upstream Orca? (i.e. completely removing whatever Ubuntu is
> > > > shipping?) Orca's settings are not in dconf or gsettings or anything
> > > > else other than the files in $HOME/.local/share/orca. If the package
> > > > maintainers downstream have rolled their own alternative settings and
> > > > introduced associated bugs there might not be anything I can do
> > > > upstream.
> > > > --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On 03/20/2018 01:18 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > hi all
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to try to make this message simple to reproduce. I am having
> > > > > the following issues with orca
> > > > >
> > > > > Frequent freezes or out right crashes every minute and a half, two
> > > > > minutes maximum after the desktop is loaded. Usually orca will
> > > > > stabilize
> > > > > and begin working normally, but when this happens is completely random.
> > > > > Because of this, steps to reproduce are going to be difficult, but I'm
> > > > > going to try my best.Steps to reproduce
> > > > >
> > > > > Start ub ubuntu mate 18.04. A flash drive should do fine. Orca will
> > > > > start up after altwin+s is pressed. It will say "screen reader on"
> > > > > followed by nothing. After about 30 seconds, sometimes a minute, orca
> > > > > will either function normally, in other words say "desktop frame" and
> > > > > you can use the computer normally, or it will continue to do nothing
> > > > > until toggled. When toggled, orca will say "screenn reader off.
> > > > > Followed
> > > > > by a pause of about five seconds, followed by screen reader settings
> > > > > reloaded. If toggled again right after this, orca will occasionally see
> > > > > the desktop and you can use the computer normally. Otherwise, it will
> > > > > then say "screen reader off" and it will need to be toggled again. Once
> > > > > orca does see the desktop, it frequently stops responding after a caja
> > > > > window is opened at a folder, which exact folder doesn't matter. Orca
> > > > > doesn't usually turn off when it messes up, it just stops reading all
> > > > > applications including the desktop, but so far as I can see runs
> > > > > normally. You can toggle it, and it will come back, only to have that
> > > > > same 30 second to a minute and a half delay until it sees the desktop,
> > > > > only to then freeze again ... rince and repeat. This is beyond
> > > > > exasperating. I've reset my dconf settings at least five times, which
> > > > > fixes the problem, temporarily, but it always comes back. I suspect a
> > > > > debug log will show nothing, therefore people will be unable to see the
> > > > > problem, but I can testify absolutely that there is a problem
> > > > > somewhere.
> > > > > I want to try and help get this problem fixed. If a debug log will be
> > > > > useful I'll gladly provide one. Downgrading to orca 3.26 fixes the
> > > > > majority of these problems, so it's got to be something in newer
> > > > > software, but beyond that I'm clueless. I don't mean to sound so
> > > > > frustrated, but requiring an orca restart every couple of minutes when
> > > > > I'm trying to get work done is just ... agrivating.
> > > > >
> > > > >    I don't expect instantaneous performance from orca by any means, but
> > > > > even when orca works normally, performance is generally sluggish.
> > > > > Typing
> > > > > text into caa's location bar to complete file names works but will
> > > > > often
> > > > > trip up orca, causing it to stop reading but otherwise function
> > > > > normally. Navigation around the desktop is noticeably laggy, taking a
> > > > > couple of seconds from key press to response. This is with using the
> > > > > espeak ng speech synthesizer on a vizio ultrabook with 8 gb of ram, an
> > > > > intel quad core processor, model number i3-3217U, an ssd with 250 gb of
> > > > > storage, running ubuntu mate 18.04, bionic beaver, all updates
> > > > > installed, including proposed updates.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Kendell Clark
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Christopher (CJ)
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