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Re: [orca-list] extremely exasperated with orca 3.27 and ubuntu mate 18.04

hi
Well, I am now running orca from master, and it seems to be performing a bit better. There's no longer as much of a lag between orca startup and when orca sees the desktop, and orca is no longer freezing as much. A little bit, but nowhere near as much as ubuntu's version, so either it's an orca bug or it's a ubuntu specific bug and I need to bug someone to drop the patch and use normal, vanilla packages as released by joanie, not modify it with their own stuff they think is better. 

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 03/20/2018 02:51 PM, kendell clark wrote:

hi
This is confusing. Looking at the debug log, orca seems to be responding instantly. But why does it feel laggy? Orca takes milliseconds to process, but yet it takes seconds to respond to an arrow key, or typed characters. I'm not seeing any obvious lag, but orca just feels ... not horribly slow or anything, but noticeably slow. If you arrow around rapidly orca doesn't respond rapidly. There's a noticeable delay. It does keep up, for the most part but it takes it a bit. Firefox can really slow it to a crawl if the site is complex. It also doesn't seem to be honoring the setting to not present a summary of the page, so you might be right joanie and there may be bugs in the gsettings patch. I wish ubuntu had just shipped orca exactly as you released it, it would've saved you having to read an email full of rants and me feeling like I was accusing you of having bugs when they're not your bugs. 

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 03/20/2018 02:39 PM, kendell clark wrote:

hi
I haven't tried that yet, but if you can't fix this bug I may have to. The one thing I'm not sure of is my ability to build orca from source. Building packages on ubuntu is ... well, not hard exactly but not simple either. But I may have to try it. 

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 03/20/2018 02:11 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Sorry for being spammy. But in addition to the full debug.out, have you
tried using upstream Orca? (i.e. completely removing whatever Ubuntu is
shipping?) Orca's settings are not in dconf or gsettings or anything
else other than the files in $HOME/.local/share/orca. If the package
maintainers downstream have rolled their own alternative settings and
introduced associated bugs there might not be anything I can do upstream. 
--joanie

On 03/20/2018 01:18 PM, kendell clark wrote:

hi all

I'm going to try to make this message simple to reproduce. I am having
the following issues with orca

Frequent freezes or out right crashes every minute and a half, two
minutes maximum after the desktop is loaded. Usually orca will stabilize and begin working normally, but when this happens is completely random. 
Because of this, steps to reproduce are going to be difficult, but I'm
going to try my best.Steps to reproduce

Start ub ubuntu mate 18.04. A flash drive should do fine. Orca will
start up after altwin+s is pressed. It will say "screen reader on"
followed by nothing. After about 30 seconds, sometimes a minute, orca
will either function normally, in other words say "desktop frame" and
you can use the computer normally, or it will continue to do nothing
until toggled. When toggled, orca will say "screenn reader off. Followed 
by a pause of about five seconds, followed by screen reader settings
reloaded. If toggled again right after this, orca will occasionally see 
the desktop and you can use the computer normally. Otherwise, it will
then say "screen reader off" and it will need to be toggled again. Once 
orca does see the desktop, it frequently stops responding after a caja
window is opened at a folder, which exact folder doesn't matter. Orca
doesn't usually turn off when it messes up, it just stops reading all
applications including the desktop, but so far as I can see runs
normally. You can toggle it, and it will come back, only to have that
same 30 second to a minute and a half delay until it sees the desktop,
only to then freeze again ... rince and repeat. This is beyond
exasperating. I've reset my dconf settings at least five times, which
fixes the problem, temporarily, but it always comes back. I suspect a
debug log will show nothing, therefore people will be unable to see the problem, but I can testify absolutely that there is a problem somewhere. 
I want to try and help get this problem fixed. If a debug log will be
useful I'll gladly provide one. Downgrading to orca 3.26 fixes the
majority of these problems, so it's got to be something in newer
software, but beyond that I'm clueless. I don't mean to sound so
frustrated, but requiring an orca restart every couple of minutes when
I'm trying to get work done is just ... agrivating.

  I don't expect instantaneous performance from orca by any means, but
even when orca works normally, performance is generally sluggish. Typing text into caa's location bar to complete file names works but will often 
trip up orca, causing it to stop reading but otherwise function
normally. Navigation around the desktop is noticeably laggy, taking a
couple of seconds from key press to response. This is with using the
espeak ng speech synthesizer on a vizio ultrabook with 8 gb of ram, an
intel quad core processor, model number i3-3217U, an ssd with 250 gb of 
storage, running ubuntu mate 18.04, bionic beaver, all updates
installed, including proposed updates.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








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