Re: [orca-list] Mail client

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

Hello, victor,

You need to make sure you're using the real Thunderbird.  Worst experience I ever had was with Icedove on 
Debian since it wasn't getting the latest and greatest because it's a libre fork.  All that got fixed when I 
activated the Debian Mint repositories and was able to get the real thing on my Debian box.  I guess this is 
a convoluted way of entertaining the possibility of someone encountering the issues you describe and a 
possible reason for it.  Heard of people having issues with the Thunderbird version  inside of Seamonkey too. 
 I've never had quite that kind of problem though.  You sure you're using the real, full-fledged, honest to 
goodness Thunderbird?

Honestly, if you want total and complete accessibility with a Linux mail client with absolutely no a11y 
issues ever, ever ever, you can't go wrong with Alpine or Mutt.  There's something of a learning curve but 
they'll get the job done and you don't have to worry about a11y issues because they're text-based.  I used to 
use Alpine back in the 1990's as a kid in college and it hasn't changed all that much these 20 odd years or 
so.  Once you have it down, you have it down.  I stopped using either one of them ever since I got spoiled on 
the GUI and by the fact that I use Thunderbird on my Windows home laptop too so I don't have to do anything 
differently as far as keystrokes, ETC when I switch back and forth between platforms.  

Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of B. Henry
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:21 PM
To: Victor Lawrence; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Mail client

I've never, ever seen anything like you speak of. 
With the exception of a couple of bad releases that were not accessible, one way back in 3.1 days, I've never 
seen accessiblity problems as a rule except for a period when several releases had the issue with msg body 
not being in syncd with name in msg list, msg list was read wrong in other words much of the time. 
That has been fixed for over a year now, maybe over two years, and when it was not fixed in the release 
version I got a nightlyl build that worked and just stuck with it. I keep that nightly release around just in 
case something breaks again, and with firefox as well I try to keep a copy of last known good accessible 
build around till I'm sure the latest release works correctly with orca, and then swap that for the old 
backup. 
You just are not setting something right I dare say in evolution if you can't work with gmail. 
GMail uses pretty standard configurations, and I can't believe you can't set evolution to work with it. Last 
I looked, evolujtion did not have automatic configuration like thunderbird does, or if it did I missed it, so 
one did have to enter some settings manually.
Which Vinux with which thunderbird has not worked for you?
There are no issues I know of with vinux5 and the default thunderbird that comes with it, and I use it with 
gmail, yahoo, two news servers, four chat services, and a google aps gmail instance.
Vinux4 did have a build that had that msg body to msg list sync issue, so I didn't use it much there. Don't 
remember if that ever got fixed before I stopped using vinux4, but seem to remember having installed a 
nightly build there before moving to vinux5.




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  Victor Lawrence wrote:
Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 06:31:02PM -0400

> In my experience, Thunderbird has never worked well with Linux.  At 
> least not Vinux.  I can send emails, but my computer locks up whenever 
> I try to download emails.
>
> I've tried Evolution with Yahoo Mail and it works pretty well.
> Unfortunately, it doesn't work with Gmail at all which is my primary 
> email.  I would like an accessible email client with a gui interface 
> that works with the current version of Vinux.
>
> Victor
>
> On 9/13/16, B. Henry <burt1iband gmail com> wrote:
> > In the sense that anything that is not growing is diing, then I 
> > guess you have a point.
> > Right when mozila had a chance to push t-bird to a new level, i.e. 
> > they'd added chat support, they abandoned the project basically.
> > That feature could have been optimized and improved, but it has not 
> > been enhanced since first included as far as I know. On the other 
> > hand, it kept working when most everything else stopped supporting 
> > facebook chat for a while and or with out a new plugin.
> > I know of people who never liked t-bird, but have only heard a few 
> > cases of it not working as well as it used to.
> > It hardly matters.
> > There should be alternative for folks, and while not true gui aps, 
> > bothmutt and alpine are fine programs with rather different 
> > interfaces that can be run in terminal windows with good results. 
> > Both have been around forever pretty much with in our context, and 
> > are not going to die out any time soon.
> > Also, some people like the mail programs developed to work with 
> > emasc or VI, very accessible and good for folks who like those 
> > editors, or at least one of them/...lol.
> > I think most of the folks who use evolution are happy with it as 
> > well, but I've never had athe need or time to try it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >   Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 03:05:03PM -0300
> >
> > > There are some that are lucky enough not to have issues with 
> > > Thunderbird, but others, like me, are looking for alternatives. 
> > > Thunderbird is clearly a package in decline, regardless of wheather 
> > > it is community maintained or not.
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
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