Re: [orca-list] Firefox notifications

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Orca should already be speaking the alert message. For instance, it does
for me when the remember-password doorhanger appears. There are,
however, other doorhangers that Orca does not present. When that happens
it is because either the role is wrong or an event is missing. See, for
instance: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443097

I don't know why you would have to press space/enter twice. Doorhangers
are not in document content, so Orca does not override keystrokes.

As for navigating to them quickly: Doesn't F6 move you between the
document frame, toolbar, and doorhanger? It does for me, putting me on
the button to close the alert. Once in the doorhanger, I press Tab to
move amongst the focusable items.

--joanie

On 10/03/2016 09:02 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I understand your point. But:
> 1. NVDA doesn't move the focus, it just speaks the alert message in the
> Firefox bar. Somewhat like ARIA which would speak a message changing
> when filling a form. Eg, you install a plugin, you hear "Firefox
> attempts to...".
>
> 2. If indeed, it appears a good thing that the user decide wether the
> focus goes to the bar or not, the problem is when the bar is randomly
> accessible. shift-tab reaches it, we interact with it, but the buttons
> don't appear immediately. I need to press space/Enter twice or more to
> check a box and get the next steps.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Le 03/10/2016 à 11:53, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > Last time I checked, NVDA did not change the focus when the password
> > door hanger appears. I cannot check what NVDA does current because I'm
> > traveling.
> >
> > That said, when you are not in document content, Orca updates its
> > location based on Firefox. So if a door hanger appears and Firefox
> > doesn't give anything in that door hanger focus, you haven't actually
> > moved. And if you haven't moved, why should Orca take you out of the web
> > page and put it in the door hanger which might disappear and which the
> > user might just wish to ignore?
> >
> > I'll check what NVDA does when I get home.
> > --joanie
> >
> > On 10/01/2016 01:02 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Firefox displays more and more pop-up. eg. "Do you want to save
> > > password" "to share micro" "to ..."? Accept, Refuse, Close this message,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > With NVDA, it's quite simple. The focus is on the proper buttons and
> > > it's easy to choose via tab and space keys. Submenus, etverything is fine.
> > >
> > > Why isn't it possible with Orca? Tab is very random (we never know
> > > wether it reaches the notif bar, the buttons, etc). Sometimes yes, most
> > > often no. I've never managed to make Hangout work due to it. An idea? A
> > > fix possible? Can we help?
> > >
> > > In the same order of thing, I use Webvisum to hear captcha. With this
> > > plugin, you choose "Solve tee captcha". On Windows you hear "caqscha
> > > sent to server" then "result pasted in clipboard". Orca never speaks
> > > these Firefox notif.
> > >
> > > Is it some possible improvements for 3.22?
> > >
> > > Best regards,