Re: [orca-list] Advice on clicking clickables in Firefox?

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

I think the problem with focusing on the right clickable stems from
the page not scrolling when we review it with Orca. At least for me, I
have seen recently, some pages where there was a clickable I wanted to
choose but when routing the mouse to it, that item would never come up
when reviewing in flat review. It appeared to me that the page had not
scrolled down on the screen where the flat review pointer could never
find that part of the page. I don't know if there are some scroll
settings I should change to make this work better or not. When routing
actually puts on the right text or icon, I can click it with Orca + 7
with no problems.

Also, a list of clickables can be brought up with alt-shift + a; you
can hit enter on the desired item deom rhia liar. Hum, I wonder if
this could get us past the scrolling problem I mentioned above.

On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 06:07:56PM -0600, Alonzo cuellar wrote:
> Hello,
> You can also use alt-shift-k and that will bring up a list of all the links. Find the one you want and 
> press the activate button.
>
> Alonzo
>
> On 01/08/2016 10:20 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > Switched back to Linux recently after a couple years on Windows and NVDA. Please don't get the impression 
> > that this is a Windows/NVDA fan post--I switched back to
> > Linux because Windows itself irritated me--but I'm hitting a few pain points that just aren't going away 
> > using Orca after being away for nearly 2 years.
> >
> > Clicking clickable text in Firefox that isn't a link is one example, and the most painful aspect of it is 
> > that I can't come up with a reliable test case. I position
> > the caret on the text to be clicked. I then use the Route Pointer command (which I think by default is 
> > something like caps-9 in laptop mode but which I've rebound to
> > caps-backspace) and then simulate 1-2 left-clicks.
> >
> > And here is where things diverge. Sometimes it works. Sometimes nothing happens. Sometimes, despite the 
> > fact that I've pressed the route command, clicking opens the
> > overview panel, takes me to another app or performs another action. I was trying to order food on Grubhub 
> > last weekend and spent 15 minutes trying and failing to
> > click menu items before giving up with Linux for that task.
> >
> > I ultimately had to switch to Firefox running under NVDA in a Windows VM. Under NVDA, pressing enter on a 
> > clickable item almost always triggers a click on that item.
> > While the Grubhub ordering process wasn't the most accessible, I didn't experience this routing issue at 
> > all when I could simply press enter to simulate a click.
> >
> > Is there some secret to accomplishing this? Ideally I could complain to every website/app in which this 
> > behavior occurs and tell them that clickables should be either
> > links or buttons, but that would be a full-time job, and pragmatic me just wants to get the task done. :)
> >
> > Also, is there some reason that pressing enter in Firefox can't trigger a click under Orca? That to me 
> > seems like the most pragmatic solution. I don't want Orca to be
> > an NVDA clone but when one or the other does something useful, I'd hope that the other might copy the 
> > pattern. UX will of course differ between Linux and Windows but
> > conventions can cross over and be incredibly useful. The reason I point this out is that I'd really like 
> > to shut down my Windows VM, but as it stands it's running
> > almost constantly so I can switch over and use websites that I can't get working under Orca.
> >
> > Thanks.
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