Re: [orca-list] Proposed patch for progress beeps

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hi Zahari.

I've not forgotten about Sound Icons. I spent quite a lot of time
getting that support in place and plan to enable it and explain it soon.
However, working on that along with the support in place for Chrys's
progress bar beeps took me away from other bug fixing I need to do. So
I'm going to fix some non-sound bugs, let you all sort out what the
beeps should sound like, and then we all can play with icons. Ok? <smiles>

--joanie

On 02/17/2016 04:30 PM, Zahari Yurukov wrote:
> Hi,
> I think it's better if not reducing volume as pitch increases - it
> becomes too quiet. Is there a particular reason for that? It sounds
> good to me without it.
> Also, I think the frequency of announcing updates in Orca settings is
> better to be 0 for beeps, i.e. no delay between announcements.
> I find a duration of 0.075 seconds and one second for beeps a little
> bit high. Just tried 0.05 and 0.5 and it looks good to me.
> Is there some way to make sure the final beep is not skipped? Cause
> now it could happen - if the progress is too fast.
>
> BTW, what about the Sound Icons? I hope their not forgotten.
>
> Best wishes,
> Zahari
>
> On 02/17/2016 10:03 PM, chrys87 wrote:
> > Howdy,
>
> > here you can generate a progressbar.
>
> > Am 17.02.2016 um 20:41 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
> > > Hi all,, a dumb question: Which programs can I use to test the 
> > > progress bar? Thanks and sorry for the dumb question!
> > >
> > > On 02/17/2016 05:20 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > Hey Nolan, all.
> > > >
> > > > Could you please attach the patch to 
> > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328? Ditto for 
> > > > anyone else interested in tweaking the progress bar beeps. If 
> > > > you all can reach consensus, I'm happy to commit the 
> > > > agreed-upon experience.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks! --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On 02/17/2016 01:20 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > > > Hey,
> > > > >
> > > > > So I had some of the same issues with progress bar beeps
> > > > > that I did with NVDA. As an experiment, I whipped up this
> > > > > patch.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, according to my non-coffee-fueled back-of-napkin 
> > > > > calculations, the current implementation starts progress bar 
> > > > > beeps at a few hundred Hz and scales them up to something 
> > > > > like 2100. I don't objectively know what 2.1 KHz sounds
> > > > > like, but I do have some objective notion of what an octave
> > > > > sounds like, and just as a sighted person doesn't have to
> > > > > think about how far along a progress bar is, I think we
> > > > > should have the same convenience.
> > > > >
> > > > > This patch starts progress bar beeps at middle C and ramps 
> > > > > the progression up an octave linearly. I initially had a 
> > > > > logarithmic implementation but found it more confusing than
> > > > > I thought. Perceptually the progress bar appeared to move 
> > > > > quickly then slow down, which is consistent with the
> > > > > numbers. I haven't tested this out with faster progress bars
> > > > > yet so there may be some benefit to logarithmic, but one
> > > > > thing at a time.
> > > > >
> > > > > We may also be able to drop the volume-scaling code if we're 
> > > > > not ramping the frequencies up above 1 KHz, but I haven't 
> > > > > tested that yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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