Re: [orca-list] The new Hypra website

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual hypra fr>]

Actually user is free on our system. If a person knows an OCR tool which
covers his/her usage, anyone can install it (from repo, from anywhere).
If Tesseract covers needs, mate-accessibilitz-ocr has it.

But for those who have low performance, they need to know the
proprietary solution exists, even on a free software environment. It's
an optional solution if free solutions aren't enough. We do>t make any
tool mandatory for a feature, except the desktop environment.

Regards,


Le 27/08/2016 à 18:17, B. Henry a écrit :
> Yes, I really did not want to write about this again, but as you must not have seen the discussion in the 
> past...
> The free engines work fine for many people, and fine for some or many jobs for others, but for another 
> groups of us who do things that require near perfect 
> results, i.e. to fill out paperwork that has life impacting importance, read mail that may be in much less 
> clear fonts than those you have recognized on 
> your computer screen with ocrdesktop, etc, yes, there is for sure a reason to use something that gives 
> better results.
> I can't compare abbyy to teseract as I've not used the former, but I can compare the results using lios or 
> something else using teseract to the results I 
> got using kurzweil, and the difference on more than one occasion, was between around 70% accuracy and 92% 
> accuracy. That is major, and not only that, but 
> 70% accuracy is not good enough to do more than see what something is more or less, e.g., would you get 
> anything out of a bank statement that was only 70% 
> read correctly?
> I do not get bank documents, or anything else in paper if I can get it on line as a pdf, but the whole 
> point of the program, as far as I know lios is what 
> is being worked on,
> is to give folks something good enough to do as much as is possible with, i.e. not a something that won't 
> work for many people in its target user base.
> I do not use other opperating systems other than Linux on my PC(s) unless there is a document I can not 
> OCR. I honestly can think of nothing else other 
> than occasional curiosity that has gotten me to use my one installed copy of windows in years, but I must 
> keep a working windows to run kurzweil, and I can 
> imagine myself traveling, and traveling I'd not have my windows box with me ever, where I'd need to read a 
> paper of some kind. 
> I can not say to someone who has always gotten very good results using  cuniform or teseract that that is 
> not there experience, but I've seen the 
> difference in results between  the better proprietary options and the options from the FOS world. 
> Also, as long as I am writing this, the one major difference between the "eloquence case" as another poster 
> called it and this is that the old ibm-tts has 
> not been developed in years. Abbyy is a maintained piece of software, and there are other proprietary 
> engines that are maintained and or under development 
> that might become available, or be made available for us on Linux. 
> Would I prefer seeing tesseract improve to at least with in striking range of the accuracy acheived by the 
> best solutions available for personal computers, 
> hell yes! If that isnot possible would I like to see some one write a new rockin FOS OCR solution, again 
> for sure and of course.
> I do not know of such work, but as I said before, then when it becomes available we can use the free 
> engine(s), but until then let's not try and tell 
> people they can't work, and or must get a lot of extra sighted help. 
> If you do not need the proprietary engine, then of course you are more than free not to use it, but do not 
> try and hold those who do need it back.
> I'm done, said this stuff before, tried to be clear and maybe even persuasive, but hey, the fsf has not 
> even put a priority on accessiblity that I've ever 
> seen. 
> What, one of their darling distros is nicely accessibler for blind folks, another completely unusable from 
> what I hear, and...can't remember about the 
> other for sure.
> My point being, we are not necesarily going to get any help from the hard core free software movement, nor 
> have I seen any new free OCR projects mentioned 
> in any context, so it's posibly not just a case of holding out for a few months. 
> I get the propaganda because I strongly support FOS, even started a google group to promote the discussion 
> of accessible free software, but because some 
> proprietary projects exist in the world, and maybe some of us need to use a few of them, that does not make 
> free software less valid, not as good or 
> anything else other than what it is and can be.
> Actually there's a case to be made that a good proprietary project can put pressure on the good free 
> project to become better, not just a "poorman's 
> solution".
> I apologize for the verbose conclusion, bjut really want to move on to other things and wanted to make the 
> major points and be done with it.
> Regards,  
>  
>     
>    

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