Re: [orca-list] Let's decide about how to deal with ellipses (was Re: bug regarding punctuation?)

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
I'm more concerned with how speech synths handle these. I believe the
proper thing to do is to pause, similar to a cama. Both espeak and voxin
handle this the way they should, but orca's use of dot dot dot prevents
 that. I personally think orca should simply let the speech synths
handle it when reading by line or say all, but say "elipsis" if
reviewing by character or word.
Just my two scents
Kendell clark


On 11/28/2015 02:39 AM, Rob Whyte wrote:
> Hi,
> If an elipssis is encountered I believe the user should be told that is
> what it is.
> Help text how ever may wish to describe an elipssis as a graphical
> representation of three dots.
>
> Cheers
> Rob
>
>
> On 28/11/15 08:05, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey all.
> >
> > The problem turned out to be Orca treating any series of three periods
> > in a row as an ellipsis for the purpose of saying "dot dot dot." I've
> > now adjusted that so that it only treats three to four periods in a row
> > followed by whitespace or the end of string as an ellipsis. That should
> > make things saner.
> >
> > This does once again raise the question of what, if anything Orca should
> > do about ellipses. Kendell periodically raises it, no one else says
> > anything, and I have no opinions, so the topic dies. Given what the
> > source of the bug was <insert eyeroll here>, I now have an opinion. My
> > opinion is that you must have an opinion. <grins>
> >
> > 1. Given a unicode ellipsis char, should Orca turn it to "dot dot dot"?
> >    Yes or no.
> >
> > 2. Given a series of periods functioning as an ellipsis, should Orca
> >    force speak "dot dot dot" ignoring your punctuation level?
> >    Yes or no.
> >
> > Me, I don't care much either way. I would, however, like to reach
> > consensus what the desired behavior is, and either document your wishes
> > in the code or rip the code out.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --joanie
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/2015 02:32 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > Actually, I misread/reversed what you were saying. I'll investigate. Thanks!
> > > --joanie
> > >
> > > On 11/27/2015 12:52 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > Hey José.
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure it's by design. But if everyone thinks the design is
> > > > wrong, I can make that change. Let's see what others think.
> > > >
> > > > --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On 11/27/2015 12:38 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> > > > > Hi all.
> > > > > I am not sure if this is a bug or is by design.
> > > > >
> > > > > To reproduce try the following steps:
> > > > > 1. Launch gedit.
> > > > > 2. Make sure that the Punctuation Level is set to all.
> > > > > 3. Type the following text, without the quotations:
> > > > > 'This is a test.......'
> > > > > 4. Read the text using up/down arrow.
> > > > > Result:
> > > > > Orca reads this is a test 7 dot characters.
> > > > > 5. change the Punctuation Level value to a value other than all.
> > > > > 6. Read the text using up/down arrow.
> > > > > Result:
> > > > > Orca reads this is a test.......
> > > > >
> > > > > My question:
> > > > > The results in step 4 and step 6 shouldn't b the same?
> > > > > Thanks.
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