Re: [orca-list] orca and multilingual systems?

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
Ah, so the system locale is the key. Would it be possible to add a
heuristic to orca to detect if the system language is changed? This
might be overkill, but I've been going in circles trying to understand
why orca wasn't picking up on the fact that the language was changed. If
not, I'll just tell them to restart orca once the language is
changed.Just curious, does this apply to the login screen as well?
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 11/27/2015 07:14 AM, Zahari Yurukov wrote:
> Hi,
> If they can change the language their desktop and programs are in, that
> should apply to Orca, too.
> Orca is localized in zh_TW, zh_HK and zh_CN (though not 100%), so if
> they select one of those languages in the Language tab of the Language
> Support program - most of the Orca's interface and messages should be
> localized in the respective language automatically after reboot.
> They also need to change Orca Preferences -> Voice tab -> Person combo
> box to either Mandarin (zh) or  cantonese (zh-yue)  - depending of the
> language they speak, assuming ESpeak is the selected synthesizer.
>
> If I do:
> env LANGUAGE="zh_CN" orca --replace
> and then change Orca Preferences -> Voice tab -> Person combo box to
> Mandarin - it works perfectly (though I don't understand anything, smile).
> Now I tried also zh_TW and  zh_HK and it looks like they also should be
> read with the Mandarin voice.
> So may be that's what they're missing to change. Though like I said -
> the translation in those languages is not complete, so they'll hear some
> messages in English.
>
> Best wishes,
> Zahari
>
> On 27.11.2015 13:28, kendell clark wrote:
> > hi
> > Ah, so just changing the system locale should do it? I'm trying to
> > figure how orca picks up on language changes. Basically what I want to
> > be able to do is to say, boot in chinese, and orca and espeak come up
> > speaking chinese and all the programs, those that are translated anyway,
> > show up in chinese, etc. I'm trying to find out how to do that so the
> > next time I get an email from someone oversees I can help them. They
> > tell me that although they can change the language their desktop and
> > programs are in, they can't change the language orca speaks in, and it's
> > ui elements remain in english. I'm not at all sure how this works. I
> > assumed you'd need a restart of either the desktop or orca to affect
> > this, and if so, could orca prompt you when the language is changed?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/2015 04:49 AM, Zahari Yurukov wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > We're talking about Orca's interface and system messages' language,
> > > right? Cause I was a little confused with the mentioning of
> > > speech-dispatcher, and of course you can change your synthesizer
> > > language from Orca Preferences -> Voice -> Person.
> > >
> > > If you change the system language, that should work. At least it works
> > > in Ubuntu and Vinux.
> > > And in theory it should work everywhere - it's ment to do exactly that.
> > > What about other programs? For example Firefox? When they change their
> > > system locale, doesn't that change the Firefoxe's locale too?
> > > Though the locale for some programs (like Firefox) should be installed
> > > separately. But that's not the case with Orca.
> > > And what about the enviroment? I haven't changed my system locale  for a
> > > quite while, but I'm almost sure it requires reboot.
> > >
> > > If you want to run Orca in a different language, let's say Bulgarian, no
> > > matter  of the system language, you can use:
> > > env LANGUAGE="bg_BG" orca --replace
> > >
> > > I.e. you need to set the LANGUAGE variable of the locale to the language
> > > code underscore country code.
> > > I'm not sure why it doesn't respect the LC_MESSAGES one.
> > > And I'm sure it respected the LANG one before, but now it doesn't.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Zahari
> > >
> > > On 27.11.2015 11:34, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > hi all
> > > > I've been getting emails over the past few months from non english
> > > > speaking people attempting to use both sonar and fedora, but saying they
> > > > can't figure out how to change the language orca speaks in. The problem
> > > > seems to be that, although they can change the system language in gnome
> > > > by going into the region and language settings, orca doesn't pick up on
> > > > this and there's no way to change the language in orca itself. I'm not
> > > > sure how to help them. They inevitably bring up nvda, and since orca and
> > > > nvda are different, about all I can say is well that's nvda, not orca.
> > > > How does orca detect what language to speak in? Does it use the system
> > > > locale and then tell speech-dispatcher to use that language? I'm trying
> > > > to figure out a way to make it relatively easy to change languages at
> > > > boot time, and orca and the system automatically come up in that
> > > > language. Since there's no way to change orca's locale, at least from
> > > > the gui, could this be added, maybe in the general tab? Orca may have to
> > > > be restarted for this to work, I'm not sure.  I'm also not sure how much
> > > > work this would be to implement, i hope it's not too much. If this were
> > > > ever done, could this be refined to only offer languages the selected
> > > > synthesizer can speak in or is that not doable?  I'm a novice at how
> > > > locales work in linux other than you use /etc/locale.gen to add them,
> > > > and then the gui to change between them.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Kendell clark
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