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Re: [orca-list] Evolution

Hello,
Thank you verry much for this change, I'm going to test this.
However since my last email on this subject I have noticed additional issues... Within evolution settings there are a lot of controls where there might be missing focus events or something to that effect since tabbing into a lot of checkboxes, radio buttons, comboboxes causes orca to report nothing. More significant issue hopefully this time on my part is that I don't know how to open or save attachment when I do receive one within an email message. There is nothing accessible on the toolbar, in the menu and I don't know where to look for this. Can you please give me a hint? One last little thing on evolution from me at this time is not accessibility related but I think by default it stores a lot of messages on my computer for easier browsing. This means my .cache/evolution folder has more than two gigabytes of data and I have only added two email accounts into it. I like to keep huge message histories for example on my work account I do have messages since I have started in november 2008, on my personal account I do have messages since 2002 when I have left the university and similar. In Thunderbird I can configure how much to cache and this way I can predict how much disk space I'll need. This is just alittle thing to play with to the future, I hope there are some settings even hidden ones which I can tweak. Of course this is not accessibility related at all it's just I think people might have similar interest like I have. 

Greetings

Peter

On 27.06.2015 at 04:30 Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hi Peter.

I've just committed a change to Orca which should improve the
autocomplete issue. The other issues, at least for mail reading and
composition, are likely WebKitGtk bugs. Unlike Gecko content, Orca is
pretty much reporting what WebKitGtk tells it and trusting that what
it's being told is right.

Having said that, I hope some of those issues will get fixed (or more
accurately, worked around) when I start migrating Orca's WebKitGtk
support over to the new web script, which is cynical and far less
trusting of implementations. <smiles>

--joanie

On 06/24/2015 06:32 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,
Currently I am on Arch Linux with Gnome 3.16, Orca master and Evolution
3.16.4.
I have just tested it briefly and I can say that for emails, this is
turning into awesome experience. I have found out it is best to disable
message preview, then initial sync of imap folders takes a little  while
but when the messages are synced, browsing within the  message list is
instantaneous and this bit alone makes it worth evaluating if not
switching into Evolution in favour of Thunderbird.
When the message gets opened I assume it's divided into  individual
parts such as headers, message text, signature. Depending on the message
it may contain other parts. You can move between these parts and toolbar
using tab or shift+tab keys. You can read text parts using normal arrow
keys although cursoring is a bit funky occassionally. I can't preciselly
describe the issues but the UI is verry verry responsive so I imagine
after getting used into how it works it may verry well surpass
Thunderbird freezing like experience. You can move over the toolbar
buttons using left and right arrow keys. When exploring various toolbars
toggle buttons can be activated by pressing on the spacebar and these
toggle buttons usually popup additional menus with neat actions so it's
worth exploring.
Typing emails works like a dream with a few exceptions:
When typing in the to, cc, bcc fields auto complete entries don't speak
when you move up / down using the arrow keys. When an address or a
contact is already added into such field, it can't be read with arrow
keys. The same applies to the subject line.
Message body input area is working fine with a bit of funkiness the same
way like I have noticed when reading emails. Sometimes a line is read
twice, usually verry short lines are skipped and occassionally there may
be issues reading within the last line. When backspacing first letter of
a word is not read and preceeding spacebar is read by orca instead. What
is positive that selecting and deselecting the text is announced by orca
and working with this message compose screen is also verry verry responsive.
Message searching resembles the same functionality found in thunderbird,
you can add as many advanced search conditions. Some of the controls in
the advanced search dialog don't properly report their focus once tabbed
into however once you know they are there you can just use arrow keys to
adjust their values and it'll just work.
Evolution is verry powerfull tool with a lot of functionality so I may
be able to find more nice things and / or possible issues however after
this little personal subjective test I feel for emails it's verry usable
and usefull after the recent development cycle. I need to play more with
contacts, figure out how to use built-in spell checker and perhaps some
more extra features.
Calendar is only accessible when switched into list view. Event's dates
are not read. Other views such as day, week, month are either not
accessible or I don't know how to use them via keyboard. In the month
calendar the tab or shift+tab can't be used to jump out of the calendar
widget looping over its controls. Left and right arrow keys move by day
in the day view anouncing number of events within a day and one of these
events however I don't know how to reach other events within that day.
Moving up / down arrows makes orca announce hours and half-hours within
that day with no event reporting.
I would be happy if anyone can add more Evolution tips, It would be
super awesome to learn to use its calendaring features.
If these will turn to be a real issues then it would be nice to identify
how big they are how likelly they are to eventually get fixed and how
much interest there might be to have them fixed.

Thanks for listening

p.s. if you haven't yet tested Evolution 3.16 with orca 3.16 and up then
you should do that as soon as possible.

Greetings

Peter



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