Re: [orca-list] Clean up of Live Regions has begun! Try Google Docs

[Francisco Javier Dorado <javier tiflolinux org>]

Hi Joanie, all

I am very impressed with the new improvements, Gdocs is now much 
responsive than in other environments where I work.
You have made posible my work at home where I only use GNOME desktop, my 
company now uses Google Apps for work, and now I can
be more productive working!

Thanks for your fixes
You really rocks!

Regards,
Javier

On 02/06/15 20:10, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> I've just committed a change to master which I hope will make your
> Google Docs user experience much, much better. I was so happy with how
> Orca was working with Google's spreadsheet functionality that I
> committed first and am about to regression test. So hopefully nothing is
> broken, but you've been warned. <smiles>
>
> The way Google Docs accessibility support works is, in my opinion, a
> hack. Part of this is my "delicate sensibilities" being taken aback.
> <grins> Part of it has real functional implications for you. Here's the
> deal: They are using live regions for purposes other than what it was
> intended for. For instance, if you arrow in a text document, you don't
> get a caret-moved event; you get an event for a live region providing
> the string the screen reader should speak. As for why this matters to you:
>
> 1. Orca was living under the assumption that live regions were things
> that should be spoken pretty quickly, but not necessarily *this very
> second*. But live regions serving as fake accessibility events means
> that a second or two delay is way too long. Thus I've removed the code
> that delays things on purpose and begun removing sluggish code in favor
> of code that should be right and hopefully won't break any of the real
> live regions you use. Testing and feedback is strongly encouraged. I'll
> continue to try and improve this in the weeks to come.
>
> 2. Orca's job according to Google Docs is to speak what Google Docs
> tells Orca to speak. In my experience so far, often Google Docs tells
> Orca good things. Again, I'm quite pleased with how the spreadsheet
> works. But you may find caret navigation in Google's text document not
> quite what you want. For instance, if you type "This" and put the caret
> at the T, pressing right arrow moves you to the "h" but Google tells
> Orca "T". When you right arrow again, you move to the "i" but Google
> tells Orca "h". Again these are live region strings Google gives us;;
> not proper caret moved events. I will do my best to make Orca as
> performant as possible with these apps. But if you don't like what Orca
> says when you use them, there may not be anything I can do about it.
>
> Lastly, you must enable the Google Docs live regions hack. You can do
> this by pressing Ctrl + Alt + Z. This is a Google thing; not an Orca
> thing. You must also enable sticky focus mode (Orca + a twice quickly).
> In sticky focus mode, Orca will just get out of the way and should speak
> the live regions.
>
> Give it a try and let me know! Thanks!!
> --joanie
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