Re: [orca-list] Discoverability of keyboard ungrab in VM software?

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
I think Joanie is trying to get us to think on how to conwey the fact 
keyboard will be handled by the guest machine and how to get its control 
back to the host machine.
I would say trying to do something similar like virtual box does 
displaying a dialogbox saying this fact plus a checkbox where we can opt 
not to display this again or even issuing tray notification would be 
great I think.

Greetings

Peter


On 13.02.2015 at 01:00 kendell clark wrote:
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> hi
> I'd add that there are a few accessibility issues in boxes itself that
> need addressing. The menu bar will speak with orca before a vm is
> loaded, but afterwards simply displays push button. SOmetimes you have
> to flat review and click with the mouse to get into the new vm wizard.
> After this of course orca works fine. This is not an issue of
> accessibility, but boxes does not seem to enable sound in your virtual
> machines and there appears no way to do so. The settings panel for
> changing  vm properties is nearly unusable with orca. I can provide a
> debug log if needed. This is *not* a complaint, just trying to make
> boxes better. Having used gnome shell as my desktop environment of
> choice for the past month, I'm really impressed. Relating to keyboard
> grab, I've noticed a fairly serious issue with a gnome extension known
> as "steal my focus" It does what it sounds like. Instead of allowing
> gnome to pop up a notification stating "notification NameOfWindow is
> ready" It simply pops up taht window, forcing focus to it. This works
> fine. Until you restart gnome. If you happen to have a gnome keyring
> password prompt at login, as I do, steal my focus somehow, I'm not at
> all sure how, prevents the focus from getting into that password box
> and gnome will not allow any key presses to be acted upon other than
> typing in the password to unlock the system. This is rambling and off
> topic, sorry. I was intending to stay on topic but I thought about the
> gnome focus issue and thought I'd post it while I was thinking about it
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey all.
> >
> > The developer of Boxes (GNOME's VM client) asked me about providing
> > a hint to users about how to ungrab the keyboard. In particular, if
> > you're in Boxes and want keyboard events to be sent to the host
> > rather than the VM, you can either move the mouse or you can press
> > and release Ctrl+Alt.
> >
> > My response to him was that this is the same issue as in other VMs
> > and that documentation is a good idea. But of course one could
> > potentially get trapped in a VM having not yet read the
> > documentation.
> >
> > So what say you? How should Boxes handle this situation? What
> > accessibility issues related to keyboard grab/ungrab and
> > discoverability have you encountered in similar products that Boxes
> > should avoid or do a better job at?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts! --joanie
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