Re: [orca-list] The State Of Linux Accessibility

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

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hi
Kyle's got a point. From my very limited testing of impress just now,
it is nearly inaccessible. Orca doesn't know what to do with the slide
area, the panes with buttons and options, etc. The only thing that
seems to work are the menus, so this probably needs both code in lo
itself and orca code to map the probably custom widgets to code in
orca that can handle them. Joanie has been doing a lot of work on lo
this past week so this probably won't be too hard to do. The trick is
to figure out how orca should work with it and what it should present.
Window eyes no doubt has it's own internal representation of lo, and
if it uses any standard windows accessibility APIs, it's that
iAccessible thing that we can't use, so at-spi specific code is needed.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Kyle wrote:
> The best way to ask for a feature is not to compare that feature
> you want to something that another fundamentally different
> operating system and set of applications does. Frankly, I get
> rather tired of hearing that "this application is completely
> inaccessible" when I use it every day with little to no issues, and
> I'm also beyond tired of hearing "Windows does this or that
> better," when I havent' used Windows in years, and wouldn't if
> Microsoft was to pay me to use it, the best of luck to anyone who
> can make that happen. The best way to ask for presentation software
> such as Impress to be fixed is not to say that Powerpoint works
> wonderfully with Window Eyes, but Impress doesn't work with Orca.
> The best way to state the problem is to present to the list or file
> bug reports against the software itself, telling the developers how
> you want Impress to work with Orca specifically. Mentioning other 
> OS's that the Orca developers for example don't use will result in
> more wasted bug report space and more bugs and feature requests
> that get stuck in the queue for years, because no one knows what
> it's not doing right or how to fix it. From statements I've seen
> here about LibreOffice in general, I shouldn't be able to use it at
> all, but I have already been able to do much more with LibreOffice
> writer than either my wife or I was able to do on a Chromebook,
> which is my only basis for comparison. See what I mean? When I make
> statements like this, no one will know what I'm talking about.
> Instead, we need concrete information about what Impress for
> example is not doing, and how it can be improved so that we can use
> it, rather than simply saying that Microsoft Powerpoint does it
> better on Microsoft Windows with a specific screen reader called
> Window Eyes, which few people on this list use, and none of the
> Orca devs nor the LibreOffice devs use it either, leaving
> completely aside the fact that even if a different application on a
> different OS with a different screen reader works perfectly, that
> information does little to nothing for the rest of us. Sent from my
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