Hi,
Le 05/08/2015 08:30, Keith Hinton a écrit :
I was wondering how the major Linux distributions like Fedora,
Open Sues, etc are doing with Orca, Speech Dispatcher, and
generally over all how is Linux these days?
Well, Debian and Ubuntu are fully accessible (vocalized
installers, accessible desktop, braille, etc). I guess Fedora is
too, as they home gnome devs. I am in dubt about their installer
though. Accessible desktops are gnome and MATE. KDE is not yet
perfectly, and others require some hacks, etc. gnome3 is modern but
I think it's hard to learn for a blind people, even if Orca does a
lot of efforts 9ith it. MATE, fork of gnome2, is really great
(easy, light, etc).
I have avoided Linux for a long while because I have a friend
who believes actually, who is utterly convinced that linux
accessibility is going backwards.
No. It's in progress. The accessibility buses are improving,
desktops are now good and apps are in progress. And some fulltime
dev in accessibility is now done by some companies (Hypra, F123,
etc) to maintain a quite a11y, without future regressions in futu!e
stable releases.
But I don't honestly know for sure if that is so.
There has been experienced regressions with gnome3 in 2012. But
now, it works again and the 2012 experience shows how we must work
with communities and efforts to maintain an accessible environment
for users. So I think this time is behind us.
So, I naturally question him and would like to know from those of
you out their who are involved in Linux accessibility generally
how do you think Linux is?
In my opinion Linux is now friendly and accessible. And it's just
a beginning. I think it will be improved, really. Our future devs
will do this (improving Orca, MATE, a11y bus).
WouldI be able to run something under Gnome these days like
Virtual Box?
VBox works in commandline fine. Its GUI is accessible even if
there're some not readable things, like the VM names. This because
Qt isn't yet perfectly written to connect to the a11y bus,
qt-at-^pi, so sometimes it doesn't work. And for VBox, I guess the
VM names are not coded properly (no label on widget) in Qt.
How does Linux perform with the latest and greatest CPUs, multi
core SMP hardware and such from your experiences>?
Very hardware-dependent. Generally it works all right.
My friend says to me that most of you are using old clunky
outdated hardware which is why you don't get Speech Dispatcher or
Orca subsystem crashes, etc.
lol he's fun. A lot of wrong ideas he believes a reality. Linux
works fine on recent hardware, even if I avoid hardware younger
than 6 months. Because firmware, some drivers (motherboard,
audiocard) may not be supported. But otherwise it works. And
especially, the Orca+speech-dispatcher work always, regardless the
hardware you use. If your hardware is quite old, it's not Orca the
problem, but all the desktop which requires a lot of resource. For
such cases, MATE is enough, will 9ork properly.
But I haven't used Linux in so long that I figure the time is now
to actually just come out and ask and see what responses I get.
Obviously, I know that everybody will have their own
distribution prefferences. But I'm not here to start a war on
Ubuntu, vs Fadora, etc. I am trying aside from an OS specific
fight to figure out what the current honest state of Linux
accessibility is.
Well I think you should try, e.g. on a liveCD, to have your own
idea. If you find it's complex, you can request a service in a
company to ha(e a ready-to-use OS and be trained with it. One thing
is sure, noawadays, it works fine.
Is it actually falling back and going backwards and thus dying
out? I don't know. Is it worth grabbing something like the latest
oh, I don't know, Open Suse, Fadora or similar and giving Orca a
spin?
Yes. Even if I consider the Debian work as more advanced for
accessibility. Moreover, their dev cxcle, on 2-3 yeaq, avoids
regressions for final user as we ha(e time to test, debug
regressions, etc.
So I was hopeing some of you out their might have a better idea.
Thanks!
All the best, Keith
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