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Re: [orca-list] gvim

Ubuntu 13.10 and Ubuntu 14.04.  With Debian Wheezy, I've noticed it works some of the time.  Having said 
that, I must stress that my Debian set up is atypical because I basically hand-picked all the packages 
starting from a barebones cli.  So, I may just have not installed the component that breaks accessing 
applications as root in Orca.  The biggest difference in my Debian installation and a common one is that I do 
not have Pulse Audio on there at all.  I do on my Ubuntu box and that's where I run into issues with root 
applications and applications run as root or sudo.  So, it may be a Pulse Audio thing and not an Orca thing 
now that I think about it a little more.  

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: B. Henry [mailto:burt1iband gmail com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 12:11 PM
To: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] gvim

Is this just with Debian? I have not had issues so far losing speech running gedit with either gksu or sudo 
that I recall in the desktops I mostly use. Perhaps I've not yet tested this in gnome 3.x as I've just 
started experimenting with 3.10 very recently. I have set up keyboard shortcuts to open gedit as root  on at 
least one desktop, unity or xfce most likely; so I know there was no issue there. I just ran sudo gedit /path 
to some file/file with no delay or silence here using XFCE and a fairly recent orca build from master. I 
think but am not 100% sure I've also edited files as root whe using mate, think that was on Vinux4.90. 
--
B.H.
 
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:09:28AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

I use Vim with Speakup in a console.  That is truly the very best way to use CLI applications.  I have had 
similar issues with using applications inside of gnome-terminal with Orca.  If there is an editor that I 
want to use while in a Gnome session, it is either Gedit or Nano.   Mostly, when I am using an editor in 
the terminal it is to edit some config file or other as root because, for some reason, Orca stops speaking 
if I run Gedit with gksu or sudo to open a file as root.  

Thanks.
Alex


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
Vojtech Polášek
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:27 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] gvim

Hi,
well I vanted to use Vim from the command line, but orca behaves veirdly with it.
Maybe it can be fixed.
I open Vim from Gnome terminal and press A to append text.
I can write fine.
But when I try to read text by pressing up and down arrows, it behaves inconsistently. sometimes it reads a 
line without problems, sometimes it reads just "Empty", sometimes it reads "empty" and the line...
How do you use it?
Were you able to get Emacs to work? I like gedit, so far, but I would like to use some of those editors 
because there are loads of nice plugins for them.
Thanks,
Vojta


Dne 29.5.2014 04:04, Alex Midence napsal(a):

Plain old Vim works well.  Just access it as a CLi application and not a GUI one.  Iv you don't like Vim, 
you can use another VI port like Elvis or something.  Eitehr way, it's very useful to learn as it is 
ubiquitous.

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: B. Henry [mailto:burt1iband gmail com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] gvim

I think aviword draws the text using some kind of bitmap as it were instead of using normal text, or at 
least that is what I was told a few years ago. I have no idea about gvim, but have not heard of it being 
accessible. I have always stuck with using traditionally cli editors in VTs, and gedit, mouse-pad or 
bluefish when working in a graphical invironment, although I must confess I've started nano by reflex 
quite a few times when in a terminal emulator.
--
B.H.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 04:10:16PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

I have never been able to use Gvim with gtk interface.  The menus 
are accessible but the widget containing the text you are typing is not.
I do not know why.  Similar behavior can be observed in 
applications like Abiword and Gnumeric.

alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
Vojtech Polášek
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:57 PM
To: orca-list
Subject: [orca-list] gvim

Hi,
I wanted to start with Vim, however if I want to use it in Gnome 
terminal, it is not very pleasant, because Orca is reading "empty line"
before every line.
I tried to install Gvim - Vim with GTK interface, but this doesn't 
read lines at all.
Can I help you somehow to debug this? It should use normal GTK 
interface so I don't know, why there exists a problem.
Thanks,
Vojta
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_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.htm
l The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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