Re: [orca-list] Gnome 3.10 on Ubuntu 13.10

Oh, man, it's awful.  Getting one without UEFI is hard to come by too.  You
won't find them on special at all and, unless you want a used one, you won't
get them for a low price.  If you just go out to the store and buy yourself
a standard, run of the mill machine with Windows installed that you want to
take home and pop in a live dvd of your favorite Linux distribution to
install onto, you can't seem to do that any more.  I'm going to try Ubuntu
tonight as it is supposed to work with secure boot.  I'll try Fedora as well
since it is supposed to work best with this feature but I really don't want
to install a server based on Fedora because I don't want to have to wrestle
with selinux every step of the way.  I figure my best bet is a Ubuntu
Desktop installation and then spending the time to turn int into a Ubuntu
Server distribution, eliminate gnome autostarting and just leave it at that.
But, if I'm to have Ubuntu and if I have to have a desktop on there, it is
going to be the newest Gnome I can get my hands on.  

Wish me luck,

Alex M

Ps  Oh, yeah, and I am doing all this on an Asus which is supposed to be a
Linux-friendly manufacturer.  

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 4:54 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gnome 3.10 on Ubuntu 13.10

Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com> wrote:
Right now, though, I'm trying to iron out all the UEFI crap and the 
Secure Boot mess that comes with windows 8 pre-installed machines.  If 
you haven't tried this, be prepared for an exquisite, acute and 
colossal pain in the tenderest part of your back side.  Disabling 
secure boot and getting your machine to boot Linux with UEFI can't be 
done without sighted assistance afaik.  Get ready for lots of reading 
too as there's a very particular process you need to follow.

And unfortunately that process varies depending on the firmware vendor.

The best option for Linux users at this point is to buy machines that don't
have UEFI secure boot enabled, especially for those who may need to install
their own kernels. If I were buying right now, I would purchase a machine
with an IPMI controller to provide access to the firmware over the network,
which would at least make it accessible.

Note that Orca can't help with this process, although there are tools for
configuring UEFI once Linux has successfully booted. I don't have a machine
with UEFI capabilities as yet, so this is all based on what I've read, and
upon listening to Matthew Garrett's presentations on UEFI at LCA

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