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Re: [orca-list] Your comments on bug 735671 - Automatically start screen reader if the user is idle for a while (in gnome initial-setup)

Like that idea of an announcement. Actually, it should be a post installation message, or is that when you 
were talking 
about?
I thought you may have been talking about when installing a distro that uses orca, or at least has orca 
available out of 
the box. 
Anyway, I do want to make things easy when ever practical.

On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:40:59PM -0400, Storm Dragon wrote:

Howdy,
You have a very good point here. If learning a new keyboard shortcut is what makes someone move away from 
Linux then they probably were just looking for an excuse to leave anyway. Far more likely to cause people 
to leave is that hostile behavior of using the "add it yourself" thing people seem to use when they appose 
making a project better. I mean being able to modify code and add things yourself is great, but not when 
it's used like a club to beat down improvements, and that often happens. but I'm kinda straying from the 
subject at hand. Point is, I guess keeping our current shortcut may be the way to go. Especially if the 
prompt gets added for when the installer is left idle a while, the shortcut to launch the screen reader 
could be announced there.
Thanks
Storm
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:22:27PM -0500, Burt Henry wrote:

My last comment on this:
What percentage of windows users uses windows8?
I'm certainly in favor of making migration easier, but making migration a bit easier for an undetermined, 
but arguably not
that huge group of potential users should not always take precidence over making a consistent experience 
for current
users.
The Person going to anything know is expecting to have to learn something new, and yes, the user of any 
software does
expect some change, but the change should at least balance the needs of existing users ovewr trying to win 
new converts.
Do you people who support this think that this will actually be the difference with some's decission to 
stick with Linux
or not?
Starting out like this if any thing will lead to unrealistic expectations that evwerything will work just 
like it did on
windows.
While some will want that, which is impossible even if desired, many are dissatisfied with windows, and 
may not put such
great stock in keeping all their old habbits unchanged.
From my personal experience I did not come to Linux because I hated windows, had had repeated virus 
nightmares, or even
because I'm completely anti proprietary software. I still did not expect, or necesarily want every thiing 
that possibly
could to work the same in Linux as it did on that other OS. I'm also not opposed at all to adopting a 
windows keybinding,
or screenreader behavior if it is more logical, or in any way notably superior to what we've been doing in 
Pinguin land,
but to move towards something that has no obvious connection to speech just because a certain percentage 
of people who use
one flavour of Windows have learned this makes no sense to me.
I apologize for multiple posts on the same subject, but I just want to make sure my thoughts are presented 
in a reasonably
clear manner. I have changed an opinion, at least partially because of people clarifying and amplifying 
arguments on this
list recently.
I can certainly customize any shortcut that is not hard coded for my own use, but do not look forward to 
having to explain
yet another keybinding change, from something logical to something illogical to appeal to a minority of 
potential OS
migraters.
The argument is much better for changing to control alt o or something like that as this mimics what the I 
believe more
widely used Windows screenreaders do, use this mod combo with the initial of the screen reader.
Ofr does windows eyes use s like Orca? I can not remember.
Thank you for reading, and thinking.
--
B.H.\


On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:00:06AM
-0300, Fernando Botelho wrote:

Regarding the possible adoption of the same keyboard shortcut used on
Windows:

I am in favor of anything that makes the migration from inferior operating
systems to Linux easier.

In a perfect world we should include super alt S as well as the Windows
shortcut so that everyone can use what they want; assuming either of the two
shortcuts can later be reasigned by the user.

If the above is not possible, I vote for the adoption of the windows key
combination.

Fernando

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