Howdy, You have a very good point here. If learning a new keyboard shortcut is what makes someone move away from Linux then they probably were just looking for an excuse to leave anyway. Far more likely to cause people to leave is that hostile behavior of using the "add it yourself" thing people seem to use when they appose making a project better. I mean being able to modify code and add things yourself is great, but not when it's used like a club to beat down improvements, and that often happens. but I'm kinda straying from the subject at hand. Point is, I guess keeping our current shortcut may be the way to go. Especially if the prompt gets added for when the installer is left idle a while, the shortcut to launch the screen reader could be announced there. Thanks Storm On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:22:27PM -0500, Burt Henry wrote:
My last comment on this: What percentage of windows users uses windows8? I'm certainly in favor of making migration easier, but making migration a bit easier for an undetermined, but arguably not that huge group of potential users should not always take precidence over making a consistent experience for current users. The Person going to anything know is expecting to have to learn something new, and yes, the user of any software does expect some change, but the change should at least balance the needs of existing users ovewr trying to win new converts. Do you people who support this think that this will actually be the difference with some's decission to stick with Linux or not? Starting out like this if any thing will lead to unrealistic expectations that evwerything will work just like it did on windows. While some will want that, which is impossible even if desired, many are dissatisfied with windows, and may not put such great stock in keeping all their old habbits unchanged. From my personal experience I did not come to Linux because I hated windows, had had repeated virus nightmares, or even because I'm completely anti proprietary software. I still did not expect, or necesarily want every thiing that possibly could to work the same in Linux as it did on that other OS. I'm also not opposed at all to adopting a windows keybinding, or screenreader behavior if it is more logical, or in any way notably superior to what we've been doing in Pinguin land, but to move towards something that has no obvious connection to speech just because a certain percentage of people who use one flavour of Windows have learned this makes no sense to me. I apologize for multiple posts on the same subject, but I just want to make sure my thoughts are presented in a reasonably clear manner. I have changed an opinion, at least partially because of people clarifying and amplifying arguments on this list recently. I can certainly customize any shortcut that is not hard coded for my own use, but do not look forward to having to explain yet another keybinding change, from something logical to something illogical to appeal to a minority of potential OS migraters. The argument is much better for changing to control alt o or something like that as this mimics what the I believe more widely used Windows screenreaders do, use this mod combo with the initial of the screen reader. Ofr does windows eyes use s like Orca? I can not remember. Thank you for reading, and thinking. -- B.H.\ On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:00:06AM -0300, Fernando Botelho wrote:Regarding the possible adoption of the same keyboard shortcut used on Windows: I am in favor of anything that makes the migration from inferior operating systems to Linux easier. In a perfect world we should include super alt S as well as the Windows shortcut so that everyone can use what they want; assuming either of the two shortcuts can later be reasigned by the user. If the above is not possible, I vote for the adoption of the windows key combination. Fernando _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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