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Re: [orca-list] Experimental focus versus browse mode committed to master

This suggestion makes a lot of sense to me.

Fernando



On 08/09/2014 10:39 AM, covici ccs covici com wrote:

What I am asking is for the arrow keys not to change to focus mode and
for the letter keys not to change to focus mode either.  Only the tab
key should change to focus mode, otherwise, if you using the arrow keys
or the letter navigation keys and you want to go past an edit box or
similar, you have to do an extra keystroke to take you back to browse
mode every tine.  Now maybe you may want an option to make all those
keys go into focus mode, but it seems annoying to me.


Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello,
Please excuse me for repeatedly asking something that may really sound
the same way to you but I am still not completelly getting what you
are expecting.
Would you like orca to change to focus mode while using quick
navigation keys or would you like not to change to focus mode when
using quick navigation keys i.e. the same behaviour you are expecting
for navigating with arrow keys?

Thanks and greetings

Peter

On 09.08.2014 o 08:26 covici ccs covici com wrote:

I want the arrow keys to behave differently, so I can go past the first
entry, suppose I want to use the second entry, I don't want to have to
change the mode just for that, so arrow keys should not go into focus
mode at all, seems to me.  However, things like checkboxes should be
changeable right in browse mode.

Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello,
Now while in browse mode you are using quick navigation commands to
jump into a focusable control such as e for going to an entry or c for
going into a combobox it switches to focus mode. Would you also like
to change something on this please?
I am trying to understand whether you can try to identify navigating
with quick command keys and navigating with arrow keys are similar and
should be treated the same way if possible.
Of course if that's not too much and is in fact doable I have kindly
asked to adapt some configuration related features that have something
to do with this too. Still it's important to know how you see this to
make the most out of this.

Greetings

Peter

On 09.08.2014 o 01:20 covici ccs covici comwrote:

I think I disagree, with the arrow keys, I would like it not to switch
modes at all until I tell it to do so by hand.  I want to be able to
pass through an edit box without it changing.  If you tab, this is a
different matter.

Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello again,
And I apologise for double posting. I have found an issue. Previously I
assumed you have tried to incorporate the behaviour we have tried to
explain with Geoff regarding quick navigation so I haven't included it in
my previous message.
Currently while tabbing around or pressing quick navigation keys auto focus
mode feature kicks in. However while reading the page by pressing the arrow
keys it does not kick in. If it's doable it should behave the same way no
mather whether we are pressing quick navigation keys or arrow keys. If you
wish to allow more customization later on it is questionable whether we can
accept proposal to incorporate similar options like I have described can be
seen in NVDA. The important bit on this is whether screen reader related
features cause the focus to move or on a contrary browser features and web
based app behaviour cause the focus to move. Of course additional point
which has to be considered is say all. I guess while say all is in progress
no switching should happen otherwise say all will get interupted by the
focus changes.

If I am not verry clear I will try to explain in other words what I mean.
Hopefully it makes sense and something can be done about it.


Ooops and while writing this message I did something I am unable to
replicate again. It concerns that visivig editor found in the gmail app
where I am writing this text. When I press letter e followed by orca+a in
order to skip over entries and texts on the page until I will get into
this  visivig editor. Now with the system focus in the gmail visivig editor
with orca switched to focus mode I start typing. Once I'll press a
navigation shortcut key for example the letter e I can no longer type into
this field and orca switches it self into browse mode. I guess this needs
to be tested further.

Big thanks once again

Greetings


Peter.


2014-08-08 23:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>:


Hello,
In order to demonstrate we can already feel enough awesomeness in this
update I am posting this message using the gmail interface.
Overal experience is now much more consistent. Usually even tbing to
various aria buttons, toggle buttons and simiral controls already switches
to focus mode making subsequent popup menus, dialogs and other stuff like
this more natural to use.
I will test more throughly tomorow and during subsequent days. For example
I need to try to understand what is the issue with list of conversations in
gmail not switching to focus mode. All other places where I have tested it
so far appear to work consistently enough depending on the web app in
question. Of course we have to understand web apps are also not perfect on
this.
Another issue which I need to understand so I will be able to decide
whether this is an orca issue a firefox issue or an web site authoring
issue is within the google search page. For example go to the google.com
and notice the focus mode is automagically turned on because the page
changes the focus to the edit field it self. Now type something into the
browse mode and navigate before the text you just have typed by repeatedly
pressing the left arrow key. All is well and you can manage that. Now arrow
over the text you have just typed in the opposite direction by repeatedly
pressing the right arrow key. Still all is fine you are able to
successfully able to read the text. However keep pressing right arrow key
when you are after the text you have just typed and examine what you are
reading. You are arrowing over all the suggestions google came up with when
you have typed the string in. Instead I expect to only read the entry's
value when in browse mode. Also I should try to test this with previous
versions in order to discover whether this is a new behaviour or not.
As I said I am verry happy about this movement and I'll try to give more
feetback.

Thanks and greetings

Peter


2014-08-08 22:40 GMT+02:00 Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>:

Hey guys.

Based on the feedback received, I have just committed the following
changes to master:

* Orca will automatically switch between "focus mode" and "browse mode"

* Orca will announce "focus mode" or "browse mode" when it does this
     for you. It is currently at the end of the presentation of the new
     location. That way, if you know what the deal is (of course it is in
     focus mode now), you don't have to listen to Orca tell you. You can
     just keep browsing or interacting with the widget.

* The current keybinding is Orca + A. This will toggle between the two
     modes. I chose this because we needed something for you to test. And
     it was the only suggestion I saw proposed by y'all which didn't
     conflict with existing bindings or result in complaints from someone
     else. If y'all don't like Orca + A, propose something we all can live
     with or rebind it to something you can live with.

* All the non-perfomant and non-reliable logic about whether or not Orca
     should really control things is ripped out. Arrowing seems a bit more
     peppy to me now. I hope you find the same.

What I have not committed/done yet:
* Playing tones. That's a nice to have. We can add it later.
* Documentation. We don't know what the final feature will look like.
* Settings. Orca does it automatically. It's easy to toggle off.

What would be extremely helpful is testing from you to see what you all
think. What is totally broken, what must be changed, etc. In the
meantime, I'll see what I can do about the looping, etc.

Thanks!
--joanie
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