Re: [orca-list] Aria-hidden: confirmation in newer Orcas?

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
With Firefox 25 and Orca 3.10.2 I can see the following:
test 1 aria hidden: fail
test 2 HTML5 hidden: pass
test 3 CSS display:none: pass
test 4 CSS off screen: fail
test 5 HTML5 hidden aria-hidden=false: pass
test 6 CSS display:none aria-hidden=false: pass
test 7 CSS off left aria-hidden=true: fail

I can see the same behaviour while copying text from Firefox to Gedit 
for example so I am afraid this might be difficult if not impossible to 
solve in Orca.

I am kinda surprised. I do have some serious issues with navigating in 
epiphany documents however with epiphany 3.10.2, webkitgtk 2.2.2 and 
orca 3.10.2 all test appear to pass for me. I would be curious if 
someone else can verify this.

Greetings

Peter

On 30.11.2013 15:01, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> The mighty Steve Faulkner has put up a sort of status-update
> on aria-hidden HTML properties for us web devs, to show
> that browser and AT support is slowly getting better. What he
> did not have was Orca or Window-Eyes results.
>
> I'm still running Precise, I still have Orca 3.4.2 and since this
> is my work computer where compiz and everything else seems
> slightly unstable, I don't dare upgrade Gnome or anything. In
> fact, launching Orca always gets me compiz crash alerts.
>
> Anyway I want to ask if someone running a newer Orca, like 3.8.x
> could go through Steve's test page and see if you get the same
> results as me: aria-hidden doesn't seem to mean anything in Orca
> in Firefox 24 (Steve said it was fine that I couldn't test FF 25).
>
> Here's his post: http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2013/11/html5-accessibility-chops-hidden-aria-hidden-support/
>
> Here's the test page, it's pretty easy to go through it:
> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/hidden2013.html
>
> First is a list of AT/browsers he did manage to test, and then a
> table showing the results. So the second column shows what you
> should get if everything passes.
>
> I got
> 1. Fail (aria-hidden doesn't hide content from Orca)
> 2. Pass (HTML 'hidden' attribute hides content)
> 3. Pass (display: none hides content)
> 4. Pass (off-screen CSS positioning, still hear content though that
> should be *negative* 9999px)
> 5. Fail (aria-hidden set to false doesn't reveal content to Orca)
> 6. Fail (same as above)
> 7. Fail (aria-hidden doesn't hide content from Orca)
>
> 5 and 6 are failing in two other screen readers in Firefox 25 while 1
> passes so these could be Firefox letting other hiding techniques
> override aria-hidden, but if Orca 3.8.x has different results it
> could mean something else.
>
> This is just a nice-to-know for developers, otherwise Steve will still
> get my results at least and we all know Joanie's doing a big
> overhaul of Absolutely Everything so it might also be worthwhile to
> worry about testing these a few versions later. But it would be
> nice to know where bleeding-edge is right now on this.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> cheers,
> Mallory
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