Re: [orca-list] State of accessibility in GNOME/Others, from an absentee

[Piñeiro <apinheiro igalia com>]

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

It is true that now the interaction is different. That is the reason
some time ago I asked if just announcing a view change + proper
documentation would be enough. You can see that email here:

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2012-February/msg00125.html

On that email I explain what users get when they move to the overview,
and what it is exposed. On that email I also asked if that is enough in
order to not be misleading. General consensus was that "was enough".
Anyway, any new feedback is welcome.

Best regards

On 06/21/2013 04:46 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello,
> I must have mixed up something.
> As I navigate to the top pannel using ctrl+alt+tab the first thing I
> can hear is activities button expanded. I can toggle it and it will
> become collapsed. From the activities button I can use right arrow to
> explore all the icons and use up and down arrow to explore the menu
> items associated with them.
> I was expecting something more in there and it's why I have said
> activities are inaccessible. Now I think all is as it should be except
> of those little things mentioned so far.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
> On 21.06.2013 15:58, Piñeiro wrote:
> > On 06/21/2013 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > Well, it's been a few years since I used Orca and GNOME. I've been
> > > happily using Mac OS X for several years, but am looking into
> > > possible alternatives as Apple (both in hardware and in OS X) is
> > > slowly drifting in a restrictive direction I don't much care for.
> > > I've had all the Windows I can stomach at home (especially that
> > > usability nightmare called Windows 8) and so I'm testing various
> > > Linux/GNOME combinations in virtual machine environments. I've got a
> > > few observations, then a few quick questions.
> > >
> > > ** GNOME 3
> > > I've got GNOME 3 (both 3.6 and 3.8) running in a few virtual
> > > environments. I have two Ubuntu environments, one running 3.6 and
> > > one running 3.8 on Ubuntu 13.04. I also have Arch running 3.8. I've
> > > got them all working, but Orca doesn't read much of anything in any
> > > of them. The accessibility switcher (ctrl-alt-tab) reads, as do the
> > > run dialog and most applications I launch. I've even got the QT
> > > bridge running in all these environments. However, GNOME itself
> > > barely reads at all. The activities overview doesn't say anything
> > > when focus changes, and with Orca's flat review I just get images
> > > and panels, no labels. This really isn't of much use. The desktop,
> > > if indeed there is one, exhibits the same behavior and the alt-tab
> > > list is erratic at best.
> > This is strange. As Thomas Ward mentioned in this same thread, on both
> > 3.6 and 3.8 Activities overview should be accessible. At least it is
> > accessible when I implemented the accessibility support for 3.6, and
> > when I made a review on 3.8 in order to catch regressions. I have just
> > made a test with my Ubuntu 13.04 and it works. It is true that the
> > interaction is somewhat different compared with GNOME 2, but in theory
> > most of the stuff should be working. One of the different stuff is that
> > when you move to activities, orca just expose "window", in relation with
> > the new window presented, and the new stuff only appears if you start to
> > write. In the same way, on the activities view, the content of the
> > ctrl+alt+tab is more complete, with stuff like the Dash (something like
> > the list of favorites). Would you mind to elaborate which specific cases
> > (with steps if possible) are failing?
> >
> > About the alt-tab being erratic: is about the next application that is
> > appears or because Orca doesn't expose their content?
> >
> >
> > > Questions
> > > 1. Are my results typical of the current state of affairs? In other
> > > words, is GNOME behaving as it should or is there something I've
> > > missed (perhaps a setting I need to enable)?
> > AFAIK, the problems that you found are new to me. Right now there are
> > some missing stuff, like:
> >     * Volume bar slide not accessible
> >     * Calendar not accessible (the problem with the keyboard
> > navigability
> > was solved [1], so we can resume looking at this).
> >
> > But activities view should be accessible.
> >
> > > Thanks for any help :)
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667434
> >
> > BR


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Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias