Re: [orca-list] State of accessibility in GNOME/Others, from an absentee

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
I must have mixed up something.
As I navigate to the top pannel using ctrl+alt+tab the first thing I can 
hear is activities button expanded. I can toggle it and it will become 
collapsed. From the activities button I can use right arrow to explore 
all the icons and use up and down arrow to explore the menu items 
associated with them.
I was expecting something more in there and it's why I have said 
activities are inaccessible. Now I think all is as it should be except 
of those little things mentioned so far.

Greetings

Peter
On 21.06.2013 15:58, Piñeiro wrote:
> On 06/21/2013 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Well, it's been a few years since I used Orca and GNOME. I've been happily using Mac OS X for several years, 
> > but am looking into possible alternatives as Apple (both in hardware and in OS X) is slowly drifting in a 
> > restrictive direction I don't much care for. I've had all the Windows I can stomach at home (especially that 
> > usability nightmare called Windows 8) and so I'm testing various Linux/GNOME combinations in virtual machine 
> > environments. I've got a few observations, then a few quick questions.
> >
> > ** GNOME 3
> > I've got GNOME 3 (both 3.6 and 3.8) running in a few virtual environments. I have two Ubuntu environments, 
> > one running 3.6 and one running 3.8 on Ubuntu 13.04. I also have Arch running 3.8. I've got them all working, 
> > but Orca doesn't read much of anything in any of them. The accessibility switcher (ctrl-alt-tab) reads, as do 
> > the run dialog and most applications I launch. I've even got the QT bridge running in all these environments. 
> > However, GNOME itself barely reads at all. The activities overview doesn't say anything when focus changes, 
> > and with Orca's flat review I just get images and panels, no labels. This really isn't of much use. The 
> > desktop, if indeed there is one, exhibits the same behavior and the alt-tab list is erratic at best.
> This is strange. As Thomas Ward mentioned in this same thread, on both
> 3.6 and 3.8 Activities overview should be accessible. At least it is
> accessible when I implemented the accessibility support for 3.6, and
> when I made a review on 3.8 in order to catch regressions. I have just
> made a test with my Ubuntu 13.04 and it works. It is true that the
> interaction is somewhat different compared with GNOME 2, but in theory
> most of the stuff should be working. One of the different stuff is that
> when you move to activities, orca just expose "window", in relation with
> the new window presented, and the new stuff only appears if you start to
> write. In the same way, on the activities view, the content of the
> ctrl+alt+tab is more complete, with stuff like the Dash (something like
> the list of favorites). Would you mind to elaborate which specific cases
> (with steps if possible) are failing?
>
> About the alt-tab being erratic: is about the next application that is
> appears or because Orca doesn't expose their content?
>
>
> > Questions
> > 1. Are my results typical of the current state of affairs? In other words, is GNOME behaving as it should or 
> > is there something I've missed (perhaps a setting I need to enable)?
> AFAIK, the problems that you found are new to me. Right now there are
> some missing stuff, like:
>     * Volume bar slide not accessible
>     * Calendar not accessible (the problem with the keyboard navigability
> was solved [1], so we can resume looking at this).
>
> But activities view should be accessible.
>
> > Thanks for any help :)
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667434
>
> BR