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Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Hi,

Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is
a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe?

Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week.

Regards,

On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote:

Hi,
I think this thread can be closed now.
It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point.

If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be
preferable.

Kind regards
Rob Whyte   
On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list
have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any
more, and never have,  about the plans for Unity accessibility than
anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu
accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC
channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This
is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS
releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an
easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the
plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I
assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal.

I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks
out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one
person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates
something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I
don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers,
applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience.

The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus
accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers".
Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as
snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with
what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the
developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I
can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and
this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the
matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the
precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as
simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no
discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you
think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that
people reading your message  understand that the accessibility
developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely
honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to
defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving
from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions.

BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal
was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have
attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and
participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm
not sure what other conclusion could have been made though.

BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to
be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which
is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an
inference then that's great.

On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Placated?  No, we weren't placated.  We were told that's how it was
going to
be and we could suck it up til 14.04.  I heard you work for
Cannonical which
makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time
anyone
speaks against it.  If this is the case, would you very kindly answer
the
million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message:

Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? 
If not,
when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity?

Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be
inflammatory.  I
*was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
where such
things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
should
project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
even
hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
please.

Thank you.
Alex M



-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
Cc: vinux-support googlegroups com; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
time.
Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
statement
or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.

On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Hi, all,

It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
more in light of this development.  Please see link below:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced

Regards,

Alex M



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