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Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.

I think these versions of Linux are as much productivity versions of Linux 
as Accessibility versions of Linux.  Those that use them need to do lots 
less work getting them going especially true with the liveCD versions or 
liveDVD versions.  So yes I will hazard a guess that these versions of 
Linux are going to have a very long shelf life especially when more 
accessibility users get Linux related work to do in smaller installations 
where network standardization hasn't taken over yet.  Although they don't 
have the accessibility features turned on, I know sighted people who only 
do online banking and other sensitive internet transactions with Windows 
bypassed and a liveCD version of Linux running the show.  So far, I 
haven't heard of any malware that infected a closed session Linux liveCD.  
That's about as malware-proof as a deck of punched cards.On Fri, 25 Jan 
2013, David J. J. Ring, Jr. wrote:


I have Arch Linux running with ORCA and speakup.  I have a terrible delay in X GUI in GNOME even with ORCA 
not running.  I have to finr the problem.

Speakup works fine provided you get a kernel that works with it.

ORCA has GDM accessible log in, but reads your password out loud.

Otherwise Arch is amazingly fast.


David

Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com> wrote:


Some distros do that:



?          Ubuntu

?         Debian

?         Knopix Adrienne

?         Trisquel

?         GRML



Trouble is, they are all essentially Debian based.  If you want to try
other stuff like Red Hat clones (Fedora, Centos, ETC.), you?re out of
luck without sighted assistance.  Same thing for Suse and Slackware.  I
heard Gentoo had a11y support that was fairly decent and there?s a
Talking Arch cd out there but I think this is a specialized spin and
not the mainstream Archlinux.  The days are not here yet when you can
pick and choose your distro like people w/o a11y needs.  There are even
lots of Debian-based distributions that don?t have good a11y support. 
Take Mint.  I recently listened to a podcast showcasing how nice the
latest version of Mint was and was disappointed to find that Cinnamon
did not have good accessibility even though it was heavily based on
Gnome2.  Time for a specialized spin, if you ask me.  



Thanks.

Alex M





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On Behalf Of Daniel Barich
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:42 AM
To: Bill Dengler
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Do we need "accessible" linux distributions
anymore? was Re: Go to upper left and lower right corner in orca.



Ideally, I think we should put the accessibility improvements from
accessible distros in the mainstream distros.  The screen readers could
be made to turn on with simple keystrokes.



On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Bill Dengler <billkd314159 gmail com>
wrote:

I think the problems are that documentation for orca is out of date and
just horrible. I'll describe each point below :


With Vinux, a user doesn't need to know to press control+s, it just
comes up talking.

A user should do some research before reinstalling their OS.


Your instructions don't include how to get Speakup
talking in the console.

In debian, it works out of the box. In ubuntu, you
apt-get install espeakup
then at the console
modprobe speakup_soft
espeakup
If you have a hardware synth, see the speakup site


They don't include getting Emacspeak installed
and working without any latency.

use gedit, mousepad, nano, or vim. You can compile code on the command
line. If you really see the benefits of emacs, you can use it with
speakup or use xemax with orca.


I don't think you get an accessible IRC
client on stock Ubuntu.

apt-get install pidgin(as root)
or
apt-get install epic4(as root)
or
apt-get install irssi(as root)


These are just the things that come to mind. Of
course, none of this may be important to you, but then no one needs to
use Vinux or Sonar. They're just there for those who want some of the
work done for them.

On 24/01/13 16:31, Bill Dengler wrote:

Ubuntu/Debian out-of-box a11y has improved SIGNIFICANTLY over the

past

few months. You don't need "accessible" apps anymore, the included

ones

work beautifully in ubuntu and minimal work is required for

Debian(the

only thing I can't get working is a talking login).
for ubuntu accessibility,
1 - download the Ubuntu 12.10 or 12.04 ISO and boot from it.
2 - listen for the system-ready sound
3 - press CTRL+S
4 - when you hear "welcome to orca", configure orca to your liking
5 - press alt+tab
6 - click the "install ubuntu" button
7 - complete the installer
8 - eject the DVD at the installation complete message
9 - boot into your new talking system
for debian(gnome shell) :
1 - download the latest wheezy debian installer from the debian
installer website
2 - insert the CD and boot from it
3 - press the following keys :
s tab space priority = low enter
so, press s, then tab, then space, then type "priority=low" without

the

quotes, then press enter.
4 - follow the prompts up to the set users and passwords step. For

this

step, you will want to create the second user account(for x). Then,
continue following the prompts up to the "select and install

software"

step, for this step, select :
debian desktop environment
SSH server
standard system utilities
other stuff if you want(I.E. web server)
5 - proceed with the rest of the install then eject the CD and reboot
6 - wait a few seconds(about 8 seconds on my SSD, about 30-45 for a

hard

drive) for the system to boot
7 - press the up arrow key until you hear the freedesktop bell sound,
then press enter.
8 - enter the password of the second user you created, then press

enter.

9 - press the super key on your keyboard, type orca, then press

enter.

10 - press the super key on your keyboard, type gnome-control-center,
then press enter.
11 - choose "universal access"
12 - toggle the screen reader switch button to the on state

On 01/24/2013 03:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I guess you're saying that Sonar and Vinux aren't needed, but that's
always been the case. Vinux takes the work out of getting an

accessible

OS with a set of accessible applications. Of course, you could do

the

work the Vinux developers have already done, and there's nothing

wrong

with that, or you could take advantage of their work, and again,

there's

nothing wrong with that.


On 24/01/13 14:05, Bill Dengler wrote:

Not needed anymore.

On 01/24/2013 01:40 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Or perhaps Sonar.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 01/24/2013 11:24 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:

Ubuntu 10.04 is considered oldstable. If you want to stick to

LTS,

you can upgrade to 12.04 or you just upgrade to 12.10. I think

Vinux

is some kind of blind distro, which isn't required anymore.
Therefore, I advise you to completely wipe your drive and start

with

a fresh, vanilla copy of either Ubuntu or debian.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg
<anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:

    Hi!
    Using orca 3.1.9 which i unerstand is pritty oldish.
    Can i upgrade if i have vinux 3.0.2 running ubuntu 10.04.And

how

    do i go about updating?
    /A
    23 jan 2013 kl. 21:40 skrev Bill Dengler

<billkd314159 gmail com

<mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:


    Are you using orca 3.7x(Ubuntu quantal), 3.5(arch probably

has

    this), 3.4x(debian wheezy/sid), or something else? To find

out :

    1 - click the "about" button in the orca window, or run orca
    --version

    Bill
    On 01/23/2013 03:37 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

    Hi!
    I do think you missunderstand what i want. FIrst of all i

can't

    find the settings you mentioned.
    I am using a pritty oldish version of orca due to the fact

that

    i have vinux 3.0.2.
    which papenmeier has included in their displays.
    Using the el bar and pressing it upp till i hear it clicks

two

    times.
    /AWhat i want is to jump to the top of the screen using the
    feature
    23 jan 2013 kl. 13:59 skrev Bill Dengler
<billkd314159 gmail com <mailto:billkd314159 gmail com>>:


    In orca preferences, set the mouse to follow orca's
    focus(don't remember where it is), then move your mouse to

the

    appropriate section of the screen.


    On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Anders Holmberg
<anders pipkrokodil se <mailto:anders pipkrokodil se>> wrote:

        Hi!
        In brltty when in a console i can use my braillex el

40 s

        navigation bar feature to go to the first and last

lines

        of a window.
        It can be done by pressing the navigationbar so that

it

        clicks twice.
        However this feature should be implemented into orca

or

        can i define such things myself?
        /A
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