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Re: [orca-list] code review

I like your ideas.  I really dig the one about automated scripting and
automated code generation.  Kind of reminds me of the way I read that Symon
works.  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedupont googlemail com] 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:38 AM
To: Jonathan Nadeau
Cc: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] code review

Hi Johathan,
Thanks for starting this initiative to get more people on the project.
I will donate more of my time to orca and try and get people to help out. I
think that it is important to find people who are passionate about coding
which you cannot buy with money.

About gerrit , it is a code review tech from google. Basically it allows
people to post commits for review by others who vote on them.
Gerrit is also accessible :
quote from https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/dev-design.html """
Accessibility Considerations Whenever possible Gerrit displays raw text
rather than image icons, so screen readers should still be able to provide
useful information to blind persons accessing Gerrit sites.
Standard HTML hyperlinks are used rather than HTML div or span tags with
click listeners. This provides two benefits to the end-user. The first
benefit is that screen readers are optimized to locating standard hyperlink
anchors and presenting them to the end-user as a navigation action. The
second benefit is that users can use the open in new tab/window feature of
their browser whenever they choose. When possible, Gerrit uses the ARIA
properties on DOM widgets to provide hints to screen readers.""""

back to refactoring : So I have now gotten qt and java basics running in my
new branch of orca. I have been working on lints and removing all evals. I
am thinking that it will be better and easier to make the formatting object
a set of real functions that people can work on.
So instead of a dict with mode, role some code to eval, we would have a
class for each mode with methods that are overridden. I have worked on some
basic code generation and we can migrate all the old code into a new format.

This brings up my next point, new applications and scripting. We want to be
able to record and annotate scripts for users, so to automate a set of tasks
in some macro and make them available. I imagine that an expert user could
do some task with event recording turned on, and using example data that is
tagged in some way, then the a11n interface would record all interactions
and be able to save that for user in some python code. Then the entire thing
could be marked up in python using intelligent comments or attributes so
that they are easily accessible.
This is not only for screen readers but for teaching applications.
Also for translation I think that the a11n interface and orca could be used
as a helper tool to help inspect language strings and feed them to
translation tools where users could interact.

So these are my ideas for orca and the team. Another thing I would like to
have is a debugging tool that displays the interactions and allows them be
be logged and reviewed. I am thinking that the speech output or the braille
output should also allowed to go into this logging tool. Right now I am just
running orca in full debug mode in emacs, but it would be great to have an
built in and onboard tool to review the logs. This could be coupled with
some way to annotate them and go back to the macro system as discussed
before.

When someone is using a program for the first time they should be able to
save the logs or share them on a web site, like the greasemonkey tool. look
for other people with similar logs and look for duplicates.
Also there should be tools for removing senistive data. I am thinking also
like the scraper wiki program. People can share and find scripts and
download them. Orca could be enhanced with team abilities like that.
Different access paths to programs could be documented with audio clips or
links to documentation to make them more understandable.

We should also consider that people new to computers and older people might
benefit from orca and such a tool, Many times programs are way too complex
for them. An access tool can make it easier for new people to use the
program. The orca tool could also be turned into a simpler
graphical/textual/web based interface to existing gui based program.
I have been doing a lot of open office scripting in python for example and
can imagine that instead of the pyuno interface that the atk interface might
also be useable.


these are some of my ideas, looking forward to discussing with you.

mike

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Nadeau <j nadeau charter net>
wrote:

Hey Mike,

Thanks for your effort it is appreciated. I have heard of a jerrit 
server but I don't understand what it is for. is it so you can 
visually see the code and bugs along with commits better?


On 12/23/2013 09:16 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

What's a Gerrit server and do you mean the Orca code?  Joannie has 
been refactoring and cleaning up the Orca code for a little while now.

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
Mike Dupont
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:02 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] code review

hi all,
I am doing some code review and cleanup. It seems that there are a 
few things that need to be redone.
I am getting rid of evals and other stuff that dont belong in any 
sane program.

has anyone thought about doing a gerrit server for the code?

mike

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