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Re: [orca-list] [possibly OT] Empathy questions(please read entire message)

Hello,
Oh yeah, I am sorry, I know there is quite a lot of subjective stuff in my previous message. I have only used pidgin briefly so I am unable to comment about its accessibility however recently Josee hit some issues after updating to gnome 3.8. These are not accessibility related issues though. 

Greetings

Peter

On 28.04.2013 22:40, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I've been using Pidgin for years, and I find it to be quite accessible. I can't say it's the simplest, most accessible or most usable instant messaging application though, since those determinations are so subjective. 

On 04/28/2013 03:34 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,
What you have just explained resembles my experience with empathy from
about a year before. At that time at least contact list was readable.
Now it is read by Orca as pannel and you can actually blindly press tab
or shift+tab in order to focus it. Then you can navigate with up / down
arrow keys. To make sure you have a contact selected you can press F2
what should show a rename contact dialog.

I have written about this in one of the accessibility related list, most
likelly orca-list as well.
The only positive response was from Joanie, she managed to fix some of
the quirks empathy had at that time.

I have submitted what I feel might be the most simple accessibility
related issue into the empathy bugtracker on launchpad where I attempted
to explain what a problem I have activating and identyfying the add
button in the accounts dialog. I have seen no reply on this so I have
quietly accepted I won't be able to benefit from Empathy's advanced
features like jabber / jingle voice and video calling, sip calling,
local network chatting etc.

At this point in time the most simple, most accessible and most usable
instant messaging solution for linux appears to be the app called
instandbird, or chatting features in thunderbird. There is even an addon
which adds additional libpurple based protocols support such as ICQ,
MSN, AIM, AOL, Yahoo etc into Thunderbird.

Greetings

Peter




On 28.04.2013 22:01, Bill Dengler(arch Gnu/Linux) wrote:

Upon opening Empathy, I am presented with a "messaging and VOIP
accounts" dialog. Orca says, "add, panel". I try to press enter on the
panel but nothing happens, so I use flat review to click on the first
unlabeled push button on the screen.
Then, Orca says "adding new account, what kind of chat account do you
have?"
At this point, I cannot tab or arrow, so I use flat review. I find a
panel, a filler, and a combo box. The combo box cannot be left clicked
with flat review, so I turn on the trackpad of my laptop and attempt to
use it to click the control.

After exploring the screen, I find out that in order to add an account
I need to
have a backend installed for each protocol.
So, perhaps, I don't have any backends on this system? I looked up the
optional dependancys of the empathy package :
telepathy-gabble: XMPP/Jabber support
telepathy-butterfly: MSN support
telepathy-idle: IRC support
telepathy-salut: Link-local XMPP support
telepathy-sofiasip: SIP support
telepathy-haze: libpurple support
Well, I want to set up a jabber account, so I need the
telepathy-gabble package.

root billkd-pangolin-performance ~]# pacman -Sy telepathy-gabble
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Packages (1): telepathy-gabble-0.17.3-1

Total Download Size:    0.66 MiB
Total Installed Size:   3.11 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
:: Retrieving packages ...
 telepathy-gabble-0....     0.0   B  0.00B/s 00:00
[----------------------]   0%
 telepathy-gabble-0....    95.4 KiB   159K/s 00:03
[###-------------------]  14%
 telepathy-gabble-0....   241.6 KiB   350K/s 00:01
[#######---------------]  35%
 telepathy-gabble-0....   375.2 KiB   456K/s 00:00
[############----------]  55%
 telepathy-gabble-0....   527.1 KiB   557K/s 00:00
[#################-----]  78%
 telepathy-gabble-0....   675.1 KiB   690K/s 00:01
[######################] 100%
(0/1) checking keys in keyring [----------------------]   0%
(1/1) checking keys in keyring [######################] 100%
(0/1) checking package integrity [----------------------]   0%
(1/1) checking package integrity [######################] 100%
(0/1) loading package files [----------------------]   0%
(1/1) loading package files [######################] 100%
(0/1) checking for file conflicts [----------------------] 0%
(1/1) checking for file conflicts [######################] 100%
(0/1) checking available disk space [----------------------] 0%
(1/1) checking available disk space [######################] 100%
(1/1) installing telepathy-gabble [----------------------] 0%
(1/1) installing telepathy-gabble [######################] 100%

OK, now we have a backend. So let's restart Empathy and see if we can
set up my account.
I am now presented with an import accounts dialog. It shows account
details from another chat client on this machine, and all controls
work and can be found and clicked with standard tab/shift+tab/enter.

I click on the import button.
I am now presented with a dialog to configure local network discovery.
It asks me to confirm if details are correct, and gives me a skip and
connect button. I can't find the details with tab or shift+tab so I
use flat review to find them. I hear three fields, first name, last
name, and nickname. I try to left click, but again, nothing. So I just
click on connect and leave the fields blank.
Orca says, "contact list fraim, text." I find an account settings
button buy tab and shift+tab but nothing else, so again I use flat
review. Orca tells me in flat review that I need to configure an
account to see contacts here, and I have a filler and a control that
just says offline.
After clicking on the account settings button, I am taken through the
same import and local network discovery wizard as before. After
finishing it, Orca locked up and stopped speaking, so i rebooted the
machine to bring it back. After the machine rebooted fully, I reopened
Empathy.
When Empathy opened, tab and shift+tab gives me a combo box set to
available, a text field with available written in it, and a panel.
Flat review gives me the word available and a filler.
I checked if the window was maximized, this is not the problem.
I attempted to perform a call with the empathy menu on the panel, and
it showed my contacts in that window, but I can't seem to find the
contact list on the main window(if they're supposed to show up on the
main window).
So, my questions are :
1. how do I find my contacts?
2. how do I start a conversation?
3. How do I read a conversation once I've started it?

Thanks,
Bill
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