Re: [orca-list] More on desktop shells, 2D vs 3D, and the future.

[Frederik Gladhorn <gladhorn kde org>]

On Friday 11. May 2012 10.58.15 Alex Midence wrote:
> Hi, Frederik,
>
> Do you have a "What needs to be done" page?  Something someone who
> wants to have a go as you put it can use to make a game plan?

No, I don't have a list. Currently I'd say: just try to use it.
In my opinion the first and not so difficult step would be to make KRunner 
accessible (the app launcher that appears when pressing alt-f2).
Then move on to more and more of Plasma, I wrote some basic patch a while ago, 
but it's really unfinished.

Cheers
Frederik

> alex M
>
> On 5/11/12, Frederik Gladhorn <gladhorn kde org> wrote:
> > Fredag 11. mai 2012 08.25.33 skrev Alex Midence:
> > > Hi, Frederik,
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, has any progress been made in the area of text entry
> > > fields and text editing widgets with qt?  Last I checked a little less
> > > than a month ago, this functionality was not working well.  Any idea
> > > how things are going now?
> >
> > This is one of the things that is hard to fix in Qt 4 and should be much
> > improved in Qt 5 since I was aware of some flaws in our old API and could
> > improve the event sending.
> >
> > I assume it would be possible to improve Qt 4 more, but right now I have
> > some
> > other pressing tasks to work on, so this will have to wait. If someone
> > wants
> >
> > to have a go, I'm happy to help of course.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Frederik
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Alex M
> > >
> > > On 5/11/12, Frederik Gladhorn <gladhorn kde org> wrote:
> > > > Hi Luke,
> > > > I'll just quickly comment on the KDE part ;)
> > > >
> > > > Onsdag 9. mai 2012 15.56.26 skrev Luke Yelavich:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > KDE:
> > > > > KDE uses the QT widget toolkit. I believe that KDE does use 3D
> > > > > rendering
> > > > > by
> > > > > default, although this may be incorrect. It also may be possible to
> > > > > disable
> > > > > 3D graphics rendering, although again I am not 100% sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whilst QT accessibility is improving, more work is needed to improve
> > > > > KDE's
> > > > > accessibility, as KDE has many custom elements that need to be enabled
> > > > > for
> > > > > accessibility. We will have accessible KDe applications before we have
> > > > > the
> > > > > whole desktop accessible, which is still good enough, given our other
> > > > > desktop shell choices.
> > > >
> > > > KDE has logic to try to use 3D and automatically fall back to not using
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > The code base is the same, so there is no noticable difference between
> > > > the
> > > > two. I can toggle the effects by a keyboard shortcut at runtime.
> > > >
> > > > As for custom widgets, my testing shows that surprisingly many just
> > > > work.
> > > > Some
> > > > features will be "invisible" to the screen reader, such as KDE adding a
> > > > small
> > > > clear button in line edits. But the edit will still works as normal,
> > > > just
> > > > the
> > > > clear button not be discovered.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, there is still a long way to go, let's start today ;)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Frederik
> > > >
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