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Today's Topics:
1. Re: qt-at-spi/flat review (Alex Midence)
2. Re: qt-at-spi/flat review (Dave Hunt)
3. Considering switching to Linux (JAMES AUSTIN)
4. Re: thunderbird getting bad to worst, is evolution a good
choice? (krishnakant Mane)
5. Re: Considering switching to Linux (Robert Cole)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:26:52 -0500
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: 'Micha? Zegan' <webczat_200 poczta onet pl>, <orca-list gnome org>
Cc: kde-accessibility kde org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] qt-at-spi/flat review
Message-ID: <01e101cd166d$9379c5d0$ba6d5170$ gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2"
Hi,
I can confirm this bug. I'll even go one more on you and say that I'm not
getting anything out of Orca on flat review for any QT apps since I ran
updates on my Ubuntu 12.04 installation on 4/07 and pulled the latest build
from gitorious. I've cc'd the KDE accessibility list on this conversation
so the most interested parties can be made aware.
Thanks.
Alex M
-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Michal Zegan
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:22 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] qt-at-spi/flat review
Hey, does anyone confirm (on ubuntu 12.04 daily) the following qt-at-spi
bugs:
flat review does not work in all cases, for example in kgpg, Orca can
sometimes crash after closing the program.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Hunt <ka1cey gmail com>
To: Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] qt-at-spi/flat review
Message-ID: <alpine DEB 2 02 1204091233350 3539 precise>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
For what it's worth, I confirm this, as well, using skype on an Ubuntu
12.04 installation from the dailylive cd dated 7-April.
-Dave
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Alex Midence wrote:
Hi,
I can confirm this bug. I'll even go one more on you and say that I'm not
getting anything out of Orca on flat review for any QT apps since I ran
updates on my Ubuntu 12.04 installation on 4/07 and pulled the latest
build
from gitorious. I've cc'd the KDE accessibility list on this conversation
so the most interested parties can be made aware.
Thanks.
Alex M
-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Michal Zegan
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:22 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] qt-at-spi/flat review
Hey, does anyone confirm (on ubuntu 12.04 daily) the following qt-at-spi
bugs:
flat review does not work in all cases, for example in kgpg, Orca can
sometimes crash after closing the program.
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:43:05 +0100
From: JAMES AUSTIN <james londonsw15 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] Considering switching to Linux
Message-ID: <5A3ABD34-CC7C-42D3-8CBC-34FB31D297F0 gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi listers,
Well, I've been following this list for a long time, and we are considering
switching one of our older macBooks to run Linux. I am quite experienced in
the Terminal, sorry, I don't know the Linux term for it. I am wondering
which distro is preferred, out of Fedora, ubuntu and Linux Mint. I really
enjoy tinkering, but also just like things to work when i need them to.
Should i avoid Linux or give it a try. My girlfriend and I are totally
blind, so would need Orca to run on any of the above distros.
Depending on your answers, I will have more questions.
Thank you
Warmest wishes
James
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:58:33 +0530
From: krishnakant Mane <krmane gmail com>
To: Dave Hunt <ka1cey gmail com>
Cc: Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] thunderbird getting bad to worst, is
evolution a good choice?
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<CAGw2+grPrqyGc4xCbMnazdhTOgtDh33Wt9eeJfPEa3RZ+RbVGA mail gmail com>
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Hi Again Dave,
I tryed your .pinerc file and it actually worked for me.
But I can't do a single thing with alpine.
I opened a terminal and typed alpine.
Sure enough it did ask me my password after repeating a lot of \ and _.
I did enter.
It downloaded some mails I guess.
But I am not able to do any thing more.
I wish to browse the emails and then select one to read it.
further more, I want it sorted by date in decending order.
I don't see any how that this could be done.
I wonder how you all guys using alpine manage it so well?
I was about to think of mutt, because I got a good manual on
configuring the same, but if I will get same results, then I am afraid
I am loosing out of mail clients since thunderbird diched me.
Please help with some commans on getting started.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 09/04/2012, Dave Hunt <ka1cey gmail com> wrote:
Hi,
You can use the 'ctrl-w' for 'where is' command and just enter a
string to search for in the message index or body, and you'll be
moved to the first matching content.
There
is a set of 'agrigate' commands that work on a group of selected
messages. To access these, use ';', while in a message index. First, you
set your selection criteria, like 'date', 'text', 'status'... next, you
enter the string to match. When this is done, you will have a list of
matching messages, marked with an 'x' for 'selected' in your status
column. if you want to see only the selected messages, use the 'z' for
'zoom' command.
You can choose 'a' to 'apply' an aggrigate command to the selections.
Commands include 'forward', 'move', and 'delete'. You can slso set up
threading if you want to group by subject. While you're learning to use
alpine, you may want to remove the 'disable-keymenu' in the config I sent.
Unless you specify otherwise, the editor in alpine is like nano. Alpine
has a file browser you can use with the arrows, the 'where is' command,
and tab completion. With the 'show-cursor' switch on, this is tracked
nicely by orca in the gnome terminal.
HTH,
Dave
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, krishnakant Mane wrote:
Hi Dave,
Thanks a million for that file.
I am bothering you a little bit, because I never did this before.
I just have a few questions and if you wish, you can send me the
response off the list.
Firstly, give me some commands if you can for browsing the list of
emails by subject (I guess it will be up and down arros with enter to
open the email?). Also is it possible for doing simple search by
subject, date or both?
secondly, what commands I use to compose an email, how to attach a
file? I guess I won't get a dialog to enter the file name, but
perhaps some auto complete like on the shell?
Also how to download attachments from an existing email?
third and most important, do I get auto complete when I type in to: or
cc: like I get in thunderbird?
lastly, I went through the configuration file you sent. but not sure
as to what name should it be saved with and where?
i guess it is alpinerc in my home folder?
Also which should be the best location for saving my inbox, sent, etc
folders or files?
I recall that mutt has some spool file, do we have some thing similar in
alpine?
Can you give me the ideal path which you use for the inbox etc?
I know it might be sounding long and boring, but I wish to really use
this and leave thunderbird till we have a workable version.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 09/04/2012, Dave Hunt <ka1cey gmail com> wrote:
The alpine file I sent configures it to work with gmail as an imap and
smtp server. No need to install the mail infrastructure if you use my
file, or one like it. Mutt can be configured this way, as well, I think
there's a sample '.muttrc' file in the vinux wiki? I used to have it,
but decided I prefer alpine.
Cheers,
Dave
On 04/09/2012 10:55 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote:
So can I get some guidance on getting an accessible cursor for Orca
with
mutt?
Will it apply to alpine also?
Further more, is it good to use alpine, given that the support won't
be available (as I herd )?
Can some one tell me if there are keyboard shortcuts for sorting
emails by date in decending or assending order?
I also herd that for mutt there is a lot of configuration involved.
What about alpine?
Will I have to use fetchmail, proc mail etc?
Further more, is it good to use alpine, given that the support won't
be available (as I herd )?
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 09/04/2012, Dave Hunt<ka1cey gmail com> wrote:
Mutt and alpine are usable in the gnome terminal, with orca. They may
need a little configuration in order to get a cursor Orca can easily
track, but, it's pretty simple. I use alpine in the terminal, and
include a sample configuration that makes it very accessible with
Orca.
The file is editable in your favorite text thing, and is well
commented. In my recent experience, Evolution is not at all usable
anymore.
On 04/09/2012 09:34 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote:
Hello,
I am thinking of trying mutt after reading one manual.
I only wish to know if I can use orca with it?
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 09/04/2012, Michael Whapples<mwhapples aim com> wrote:
Hello,
I know what you mean about thunderbird getting worse, I decided I
had
enough some time ago. Evolution in my mind wasn't a great experience
either (some of it was me not liking the way evolution does things
rather than me hitting accessibility bugs like in thunderbird). For
me
text based email clients are the only way to go on Linux.
You asked some specific questions about how orca might interact, I
don't
know because I always have used text based clients with speakup. I
have
used pine (alpine I believe behaves very similar as its based on
pine)
and cone and with speakup both were very pleasant experiences. I
believe
from others mutt is also very good with speakup.
I don't have the same need for search facilities as my inbox is much
smaller, so I cannot really say whether alpine or cone would do, but
I
understand mutt is very powerful (the slight extra complexity of
mutt
because of the extra power has been what stopped me using it, cone
was
perfectly adequate for my needs and didn't have such a learning
curve).
Michael Whapples
On 09/04/2012 12:40, krishnakant Mane wrote:
On 09/04/2012, Jason White<jason jasonjgw net> wrote:
krishnakant Mane<krmane gmail com> wrote:
I have to read and reply a lot of emails every day.
I have a lot of attachments that come my way in form of odt and
ods
files.
I need to often attach documents myself.
I also need a good serch feature so that I can look at my
archives.
With my given requirement, is alpine good or mutt?
Either would be fine.
Mutt is better if you like regular expressions: you can search and
limit
the
displayed messages via regular expression matching, and there's
also
now
a
script that enables you to use Notmuch with Mutt. I haven't tried
it
yet,
but
it's on my list of possible enhancements.
Hi jasen,
I think one problem with commandline email clients would be that I
can't have the entire email spoken by Orca?
if yes, then can I also browse the mail body line by line?
Secondly, if I choose alpine, what all search featurs are
available?
and finally do I move in the list of emails by up and down arrows?
do
I hear the subjects like I do in thunderbird?
are there shortcuts for sorting the mails by date?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:07:56 -0700
From: Robert Cole <rkcole72984 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Considering switching to Linux
Message-ID: <4F83419C 3070802 gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hello, James.
I am not totally blind, but I do have a very limited amount of vision.
One question I have for you before you make your decision: exactly how
old is this machine (i.e. what type of processor does it use and how
much RAM does it have)?
As far as Linux Mint is concerned, when I used it earlier last year
(installing from the CD edition) Orca was not installed by default. At
that time on the Linux Mint 12 system, the Linux Mint team created a set
of GNOME Extensions to make the newly released GNOME 3 desktop
environment look and act more like its predecessor, but I found that it
caused an accessibility problem.
I am currently using Fedora 16, and I really like it. It runs fast, Orca
is installed by default, and a lot of things work wonderfully. The only
issue right now is that you may need sighted assistance to install
Fedora. I had to use the highest zoom level on my cell phone's camera so
that I could read through the screens of Fedora's post-installation
setup and configuration process, called FirstBoot. To my knowledge, this
part of Fedora's installation is not accessible at this time.
As far as out-of-the-box accessibility goes, Ubuntu has always been
great. Ubuntu is what I started out with back in 2005, and is what I may
go back to once Ubuntu 12.04 is released on April 26, I I remember
correctly.
While I have never tried it, I have heard a lot of great things about
Vinux [1]. Here is a brief description of Vinux from the Vinux Web site
(linked to at the end of this e-mail):
"Vinux is a remastered version of the Ubuntu Linux Distribution
optimised for visually impaired users. It provides a screen-reader,
full-screen magnification and support for Braille displays out of the
box! It can be run from a Live CD without making any changes to your
hard drive."
I hope that you find this information helpful.
Take care.
[1] http://vinuxproject.org/
On 04/09/2012 10:43 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote:
Hi listers,
Well, I've been following this list for a long time, and we are
considering switching one of our older macBooks to run Linux. I am quite
experienced in the Terminal, sorry, I don't know the Linux term for it. I
am wondering which distro is preferred, out of Fedora, ubuntu and Linux
Mint. I really enjoy tinkering, but also just like things to work when i
need them to. Should i avoid Linux or give it a try. My girlfriend and I
are totally blind, so would need Orca to run on any of the above distros.
Depending on your answers, I will have more questions.
Thank you
Warmest wishes
James
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