[orca-list] Accessible email clients; really need an alternative to thunderbird
- From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>
- To: orca <Orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: [orca-list] Accessible email clients; really need an alternative to thunderbird
- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:06:36 +0000
Hello,
I know I have written about this before, but I never really found a
satisfactory alternative. So as a last try I will try and be very
specific in what I am looking for.
OK, as many will know I really am not happy with the quality of
accessibility in Thunderbird, Mozilla just don't seem to be able to deal
with the problems and accessibility requirements seem to be a second
rate citizen (justification: Some of the accessibility issues are so
obvious and critical to use, that should a non-disabled user be faced
with such issues they would never make a release of Mozilla products, an
example being Orca echoing the text being entered in edit fields, would
non-disabled users stand for not knowing what they typed, why should
we?). There are other quality issues I have with Thunderbird but we'll
leave those for now.
Now to the positive look on things, what alternatives are there?
Evolution normally is the obvious one. Yes I have used it back in the
past (back in the gnome 2.18 and 2.20 days. While I could use it then,
to me it always felt like its usability lay somewhere between difficult
or clumsy. Some of the specific issues were finding attachments, being
able to open individual messages in list digest messages as an
attachment (like I can in Outlook Express on windows or Thunderbird) so
I can reply to individual messages rather than the digest one and also
evolution can feel like its interface is just a bit cluttered as it has
calender and other features I do not tend to use (see below for what I
really would want from an email client). If anyone could point me to
good documentation on using evolution (particularly as an orca user and
using evolution from the keyboard, may be my problems with evolution
could be overcome as I might be able to use it more efficiently.
Another alternative which has been suggested to me is balsa, but I never
really got to grips with that.
I know that another alternative might be to look at text based clients.
The only ones I really got on with were pine and cone. Anyway, I feel
text base clients may be off the cards as I feel Orca isn't great with
text based software. Speakup would be my preferred choice for screen
reader with text based software, however it just doesn't load on the
computers I would install Linux on.
OK, here is what I am looking from the email client:
Accessible with Orca: As I noted speakup doesn't work on my Linux
systems so Orca is what I will be using, so in my opinion that rules out
the text based clients.
Simple interface, focused on what is wanted: I only really want it for
mail, things like calenders are just a waste of space to me. The main
places I use in the email client is the folder/account tree and the
message list. More than that in the main view is more than I want, I may
find search useful but I don't mind going to the menu for that.
Multiple account support: It should support more than one account, with
different outgoing servers for each account.
Ability to access the individual messages in a mail digest: I have most
of my list subscriptions set to digest (eg. that is how I have the orca
list set) but I have it set to mime for the format. This means that in
Outlook Express on windows and thunderbird on Linux I can access each
individual message sent to the list by viewing the attachments of the
main digest message. This works quite well to keep things tidy. May be
rules could help here and that I could receive separate messages and use
rules to separate them into folders, but unless that is done on the
server I need to set up those rules on every computer (undesirable
thought) and I am unsure whether I could set these rules on the server.
I think that covers the main things. Any suggestions.
Thanks in advance.
Michael Whapples
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