Re: [orca-list] orca-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6



Thank you very much, it's too good.

Nits

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Instalation notes for ubuntu (Christopher Chaltain)
   2.  Improving access to Audacity with Orca (Fernando H. F. Botelho)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:38:55 -0600
From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Instalation notes for ubuntu
Message-ID: <4D6F99EF 9060808 gmail com>
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If you check out vinux at http://vinuxproject.org/, you'll find a
distribution based on Ubuntu that's been customized to be accessible
right out of the box, including during installation. they even have a
download package for Windows which includes a copy of VMWare Player and
an virtual machine you can just point to. thye also have their own
mailing list, which you can get to by using the link above. good luck
and let me know if you have any questions or need any help!

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Christopher
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On 3/3/2011 1:24 AM, Nitin Dhaware wrote:
Hello there!

I want to install ubuntu on VMWare Windows, is there any instalation
notes available?
Can we install without any1's help?

Please help,

Thx in advance,

with best regards,
Nits

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Today's Topics:

    1. Re:  flite again. (Steve Holmes)
    2. Re:  Orca and settings in the GDM screen (Michael Whapples)
    3. Re:  Orca and settings in the GDM screen (Javier Hern?ndez)
    4. Re:  flite again. (Bardia Zakeri)
    5. Re:  writing accessible multi-platform application
       (Sebastian Humenda)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:51:02 -0700
From: Steve Holmes<steve holmes88 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] flite again.
Message-ID:<20110302035102 GA11616 lnx3>
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You have to recompile speech dispatcher to include flite at build
time.  Get the source and then do a './configure --help to see all
your possible configure options.  You should see something to identify
flite as one of the modules to be included.  After which, type
./configure with the options you need; follow that (assuming it goes
OK) by typing 'make' to build the thing and then as root, do 'make
install' to install the package.  After you did all that, then startup
gnome and Orca and then see what options are available in the speech
selections.  Flige should be there.

On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 01:38:49AM +0100, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
hello! i had install flite but cant see it  on my   orca combobox for
talking  listtts  only dummy  and   espeak  and default   and how i can
configure dummy for use
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:34:52 +0000
From: Michael Whapples<mwhapples aim com>
To: Steve Holmes<steve holmes88 gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and settings in the GDM screen
Message-ID:<4D6DF31C 4030403 aim com>
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Might it be the --no-setup option which is used to launch orca for GDM
which prevents the settings dialog appearing?

Anyway, I am getting some ideas now what I might look at.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:
I think what is happening is the default settings keep getting written
back to the settings as if they never existed.  I'm not sure why this
is happening.  I never looked into that part of it so far.  It seems
like to me that the initialization logic is being invoked every time
Orca is run, even if the configurations already exist.  But as I write
outloud, I realize Orca isn't popping you into the preferences dialog
every time though so maybe what I just said may be contradictory.  In
any case, the settings are being over-written every time the program
starts.  Next time I go try to use gdm to run Orca, I'll have to
verify if the date/time of the settings files are being updated too.

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:42:24PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
I can confirm that orca can write to the settings file:
* It worked fine with 2.32.1
* The git version creates the user-settings.conf file
* When I manually modify the user-settings.conf file orca still
reverts the settings back to the defaults.
* ls -l /var/lib/gdm/.local/share/orca/user-settings.conf tells me
the gdm user has permission to write to the file.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Halim Sahin wrote:
Hi Michael,
Have you checked that your orca has the right write access in your gdm
folder?

What happens, when you copy your orca setting manualy?
BR.
Halim

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:34:56 +0100
From: Javier Hern?ndez<javiube gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and settings in the GDM screen
Message-ID:<4D6E0130 4060403 gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi all!

El 02/03/11 08:34, Michael Whapples escribi?:
Might it be the --no-setup option which is used to launch orca for GDM
which prevents the settings dialog appearing?
You got the clue!

I saw this thread and I took a look to the code. As Michael said, the
problem is the --no-setup option, what is avoiding Orca for showing the
preferences UI.
Internally, if --no-setup option is given we're setting bypassSetup, but
we're not controlling if there are user settings already saved.

At this moment I have a patch and I need to show up to Joanie and see if
she accepts my solution, but, we're on the clue, so, we'll have a patch
for this issue soon.

Has anybody opened a bug for this in bugzilla [1]? If yes, could you
please point me to that bug?

Regards!



[1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org

Anyway, I am getting some ideas now what I might look at.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:
I think what is happening is the default settings keep getting written
back to the settings as if they never existed.  I'm not sure why this
is happening.  I never looked into that part of it so far.  It seems
like to me that the initialization logic is being invoked every time
Orca is run, even if the configurations already exist.  But as I write
outloud, I realize Orca isn't popping you into the preferences dialog
every time though so maybe what I just said may be contradictory.  In
any case, the settings are being over-written every time the program
starts.  Next time I go try to use gdm to run Orca, I'll have to
verify if the date/time of the settings files are being updated too.

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:42:24PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
I can confirm that orca can write to the settings file:
* It worked fine with 2.32.1
* The git version creates the user-settings.conf file
* When I manually modify the user-settings.conf file orca still
reverts the settings back to the defaults.
* ls -l /var/lib/gdm/.local/share/orca/user-settings.conf tells me
the gdm user has permission to write to the file.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Halim Sahin wrote:
Hi Michael,
Have you checked that your orca has the right write access in your
gdm
folder?

What happens, when you copy your orca setting manualy?
BR.
Halim

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:16:59 +0100
From: "Bardia Zakeri"<bardiazakeri gmail com>
To: "Steve Holmes"<steve holmes88 gmail com>,       <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] flite again.
Message-ID:<628A4C7D15984A1098EF2180B905BB16 68ai3c3le4njy2r>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=original

can a do it  easy  i  dont like to wright  so mutsch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Holmes"<steve holmes88 gmail com>
To:<orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] flite again.


You have to recompile speech dispatcher to include flite at build
time.  Get the source and then do a './configure --help to see all
your possible configure options.  You should see something to identify
flite as one of the modules to be included.  After which, type
./configure with the options you need; follow that (assuming it goes
OK) by typing 'make' to build the thing and then as root, do 'make
install' to install the package.  After you did all that, then startup
gnome and Orca and then see what options are available in the speech
selections.  Flige should be there.

On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 01:38:49AM +0100, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
hello! i had install flite but cant see it  on my   orca combobox for
talking  listtts  only dummy  and   espeak  and default   and how i can
configure dummy for use
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:20:03 +0100
From: Sebastian Humenda<shumenda gmx de>
To: Orca Mailling List<orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] writing accessible multi-platform application
Message-ID:<20110302112003 GF14812 krustenbook>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hello Micha?

Micha? Zegan<webczat_200 poczta onet pl>  wrote on So, Feb 27, 2011 at
10:31:35 +0100:
Hey, I encountered the following problems when trying to write
accessible, cross-platform gui applications that can be equally
accessible on linux and windows:
1 - c++/qt: inaccessible on anything that lives at this time.
2. c++/gtkmm: accessible on linux, partially on windows.
3. c++/wx - accessible on both, but has focus problems so counted as not
fully accessible.
I tried it on Windows several years ago and at least with Jaws it was
accessible. I've run my old program on GNU/Linux a while ago and found
exactly what you've described. I think that these problems are
mostly, at least for e.g. button controls, a problem of focus. When I
set it to one particular element, the navigation in very simple
applications was no problem.
Having said this, I encountered problems with the ListControl's of wx.
There was a new implementation in wx 2.9 which now uses GTK+ to create
ListControl's and I believe if someone would be in constant contact
with the developers, there would be even more progress possible.

So what to do to write fully accessible applications without any mess
like that?
I had to write a console application. At least, it works and
accessibility was in this case mandatory.

Sebastian
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:02:02 -0300
From: "Fernando H. F. Botelho" <my lists f123 org>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] Improving access to Audacity with Orca
Message-ID: <4D6FE5AA 4040509 f123 org>
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Hi everyone,

I am putting together a proposal, and part of it would have the
objective of improving access to Audacity with Orca.

Right now I need to estimate how much work would be involved in making
needed changes to Audacity and Orca so they may work better together.

It would also be helpful to start meeting some of those who are involved
with Audacity from the Orca perspective.

If you think you can help get a handle on the dimensions of this task,
please let me know.

Feel free to write to me directly at:
fernando botelho f123 org

Thanks,

Fernando


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