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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help.
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:35:04 +0300

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Structural HTML navigation by lists (Geoff Shang)
   2. Re:  Open Office Writer Still Crashes! (Tom Masterson)
   3. Re:  [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer
      documents. (Steve Holmes)
   4.  I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible
      reproducing always (Hammer Attila)
   5. Re:  Gdm 3 and Orca configuration (Michael Whapples)
   6.  GDM issue with orca (Michael Whapples)
   7.  i get this when i try to run orca in squeeze
      (mike cutie and maia)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:15:52 +0200 (IST)
From: Geoff Shang <geoff QuiteLikely com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists
Message-ID: <alpine DEB 2 00 1101201514190 7878 data home>
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Hi,

I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum.  But you may 
want to look at what's been done in NVDA.  You only have one dialog box 
there and select the type of element to look at.  You can also enter in a 
search string to narrow down the list.

Geoff.



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:56:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Masterson <kd7cyu yahoo com>
To: Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>
Cc: Orca E-mail List <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Open Office Writer Still Crashes!
Message-ID: <alpine DEB 2 00 1101200655580 4038 tom-laptop>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I think I put a bug in about this sometime ago but I can't find a record 
of it in my email so...

Tom

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Steve Holmes wrote:

OK, I thought I was out of the woods when it would come to OO Writer
and the on-going crashes with list items.  Well, I just went into two
documents - one being a Word doc file and the other a native OOo
document.  In both of them I crashed Writer *every* time I scrolled
down past the list items.  I can't remember if there is a bug set up
for this already or not but I do have a file I would gladly attach to
sed bug.

I am using the latest Dev of OOo version 3.4 on ArchLinux 32 bit.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:10:58 -0700
From: Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>
To: orca-devel-list gnome org, orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo
        writer  documents.
Message-ID: <20110120151058 GA26759 lnx3 holmesgrown com>
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Part of this navigation is already available in the document navigator
as native support in OOo Writer. However, there is an introduction to
structural navigation in place in Orca to provide table navigation.
Orca+z turns this on and off.  I also have some interest in this and
saw bugs for part of this and expressed interest in working on them.
In particular, I would like to see the ability to have Orca
automatically speak when you come across headers and style changes
among other things.

Maybe we can work together on some of this.  I'm still trying to learn
how all this works yet.  Learning python but don't have a full grip on
all the ATK stuff and Orca internals.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:36:03PM +0530, Dattatray Bhat wrote:

An item in the Orca Roadmap, viz. "Improved access to OpenOffice: July 2011
- July 2012" reads -
add the ability to access Writer documents similar to Gecko documents:

   - Structural navigation for moving amongst elements, including form
   controls.
   - "List of" dialogs, e.g. to get a list of all headings (not yet
   implemented for Gecko).
   - Document summary (i.e. of the different elements in the document).

Is somebody already working on this, please? If not, I would like to take up
the task.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:49:21 +0100
From: Hammer Attila <hammera pickup hu>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't
        possible reproducing always
Message-ID: <4D385981 30206 pickup hu>
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Hy,

Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday 
changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I 
closing an application.
This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the 
problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step.
For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when I 
begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help.

Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, 
Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing.
Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing 
Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened 
prewious mail changes in the list this problem related.
Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after monday 
doed changes?

I doed following to prewent this problem:
1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory.
2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed 
/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory.
My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only 
importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, 
orca.keybindings, orca.orca files.
All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I 
doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old.
I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious I 
not see this type problem. :-):-)
Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems?

Attila

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:54:46 +0000
From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>
To: Jason White <jason jasonjgw net>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration
Message-ID: <4D385AC6 4040502 aim com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

The information is there on the orca wiki page I gave the link for, the 
archlinux instructions are still relevant for gdm 2.30.x. As I said the 
naming gdm3 is a debian construct, nobody else as far as I know refers 
to gdm 2.30.x and above as gdm3. I think as part of this packaging 
debian has done (probably just to add to confusion) customisation of 
some of the locations and such like, replacing gdm with gdm3. What I am 
getting at is, where the archlinux instructions refer to the gdm user it 
might be the gdm3 user in debian.

I will admit the instructions for ubuntu and the quick instructions near 
the top of the page do seem to refer to an older version of gdm and so 
are probably irrelevant.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Jason White wrote:

Michael Whapples<mwhapples aim com>  wrote:

As my memory goes gdm3 is a debian package name and doesn't actually
represent gdm 3.x, I don't think there has actually been a gdm 3.x
release yet.

Mine is 2.30.5, but the configuration files are completely different from
those of GDM 2.

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:45:20 +0000
From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>
To: "orca-list gnome org" <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca
Message-ID: <4D3866A0 8060006 aim com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello,
There was a recent upgrade in archlinux for gdm and it includes a patch 
which resolves the issue mentioned by Attila, in not being able to just 
press enter at the gdm screen (see 
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629310).

Now unfortunately this version of gdm in archlinux has issues with orca. 
The problem is that when gdm appears and orca has loaded the list for 
choosing a user does not speak or Braille anything. If I press tab, or 
possibly if I were to do something which takes focus away from the 
chooser and then return back to the chooser, then orca will speak and 
Braille the selection fine.

I have done a debug on this and it appears that orca is getting no 
events while this happens, only the keypresses appear for that part of 
the debug output.

Can anyone else reproduce this issue?

Now obviously the list itself is accessible as when I move focus to it 
explicitly orca speaks fine. Now I get a few thoughts on different 
approaches to solve this, advice would be welcome:
1. Should I add to the bug report for bug 629310 saying that patch isn't 
making the chooser accessible to orca when it is giving focus to the 
list item?
2. Should we try and do some sort of work around in orca? I feel 
probably not. If others feel this is the best way to go, what is the 
best way to find out about what accessible elements are available at the 
gdm screen (I mean what can I run in such a restricted environment, I 
imagine accerciser won't work here).
3. Should I file a separate bug against GDM for this?

Personally I feel the choice is between options 1 and 3. The question I 
feel I need the answer to for deciding that is: Is this issue caused by 
that patch and how it solves 629310 or is it a more generic issue to gdm.

Michael Whapples

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:47:18 -0600
From: "mike cutie and maia" <mstopka centurytel net>
To: <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] i get this when i try to run orca in squeeze
Message-ID: <03f801cbb7e7$c6a08c90$53e1a5b0$ net>
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Hi all,

I get this when I try to run orca in squeeze any ideas?

Selecting previously deselected package gnome-orca.

(Reading database ... 112369 files and directories currently installed.)

Unpacking gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ...

Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...

Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...

Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...

Processing triggers for man-db ...

Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ...

Processing triggers for python-support ...

clear

root mike:~/git/orca# clear

root mike:~/git/orca# orca

/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57: GtkWarning: could
not open display

  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 510, in
<module>

    _settingsManager = SettingsManager()

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py",
line 116, in __init__

    self._createDefaults()

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py",
line 150, in _createDefaults

    _createDir(orcaDir)

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py",
line 144, in _createDir

    os.mkdir(dirName)

OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.local/share/orca'

root mike:~/git/orca# rm -rf orca.dcd

root mike:~/git/orca# cd

root mike:~# cd git/

root mike:~/git# rm -rf orca/

root mike:~/git# reboot

Broadcast message from root mike (pts/0) (Wed Jan 19 15:30:41 2011):

The system is going down for reboot NOW!

root mike:~/git# 

Linux mike 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;

the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the

individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent

permitted by applicable law.

Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:24:17 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com

root mike:~# clear

root mike:~# cd /usr/local/

root mike:/usr/local# ls

bin  etc  games  include  lib  man  sbin  share  src

root mike:/usr/local# cd /srv/

root mike:/srv# ls

root mike:/srv# ls -a

.  ..

root mike:/srv# cd /usr/local/src/

root mike:/usr/local/src# ls

speakup

root mike:/usr/local/src# ls -a

.  ..  speakup

root mike:/usr/local/src# cd

root mike:~# cd /home/mike/

root mike:/home/mike# ls -a

.              .bash_logout  .dbus      .gksu.lock       .gstreamer-0.10
.mozilla   .pulse-cookie         Desktop    Pictures

..             .bashrc       .esd_auth  .gnome2          .gtk-bookmarks
.nautilus  .speech-dispatcher    Documents  Public

.ICEauthority  .cache        .gconf     .gnome2_private  .gvfs
.profile   .xsession-errors      Downloads  Templates

.bash_history  .config       .gconfd    .gnupg           .local
.pulse     .xsession-errors.old  Music      Videos

root mike:/home/mike# cd .speech-dispatcher/

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls

log  pid  speechd.sock

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls -a

.  ..  log  pid  speechd.sock

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# nano speechd.sock 

  GNU nano 2.2.4                                 New Buffer

                                     [ Error reading speechd.sock: No such
device or address ]

^G Get Help           ^O WriteOut           ^R Read File          ^Y Prev
Page          ^K Cut Text           ^C Cur Pos

Use "fg" to return to nano.stify            ^W Where Is           ^V Next
Page          ^U UnCut Text         ^T To Spell

[1]+  Stopped                 nano speechd.sock

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# 

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls

log  pid  speechd.sock

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# 

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# clear

root mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# cd /usr/   

root mike:/usr# ls

bin  games  include  lib  lib32  lib64  local  sbin  share  src

root mike:/usr# cd src/

root mike:/usr/src# ls

root mike:/usr/src# ls -a

.  ..

root mike:/usr/src# cd /usr/local/

root mike:/usr/local# ls

bin  etc  games  include  lib  man  sbin  share  src

root mike:/usr/local# ls -a

.  ..  bin  etc  games  include  lib  man  sbin  share  src

root mike:/usr/local# clear

root mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge gnome-speech

E: Invalid operation gnome-speech

root mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove gnome-speech

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

E: Unable to locate package gnome-speech

root mike:/usr/local# apt-get install gnome-speech

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

E: Unable to locate package gnome-speech

root mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge --remove gnome-orca

E: Invalid operation gnome-orca

root mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove gnome-orca

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:

  libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2

Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.

The following packages will be REMOVED:

  gnome-orca*

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

After this operation, 8651 kB disk space will be freed.

Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y

(Reading database ... 112618 files and directories currently installed.)

Removing gnome-orca ...

Processing triggers for python-support ...

Processing triggers for man-db ...

Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...

Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...

Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...

rroot mike:/usr/local# boot

-bash: boot: command not found

root mike:/usr/local# reboot

Broadcast message from root mike (pts/1) (Wed Jan 19 15:40:02 2011):

The system is going down for reboot NOW!

root mike:/usr/local# 

Linux mike 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;

the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the

individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent

permitted by applicable law.

Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:35:12 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com

root mike:~# clear

root mike:~# apt-get install gnome-orca

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:

  libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2

Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.

The following NEW packages will be installed:

  gnome-orca

0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Need to get 0 B/2197 kB of archives.

After this operation, 8651 kB of additional disk space will be used.

Selecting previously deselected package gnome-orca.

(Reading database ... 112369 files and directories currently installed.)

Unpacking gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ...

Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...

Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...

Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...

Processing triggers for man-db ...

Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ...

Processing triggers for python-support ...

root mike:~# clear

root mike:~# orca

/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57: GtkWarning: could
not open display

  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 510, in
<module>

    _settingsManager = SettingsManager()

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py",
line 116, in __init__

    self._createDefaults()

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py",
line 150, in _createDefaults

    _createDir(orcaDir)

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py",
line 144, in _createDir

    os.mkdir(dirName)

OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.local/share/orca'

root mike:~# 

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