Re: [orca-list] Orca, Firefox/Gecko and the LONGDESC attribute

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Just checking that you did install the longdesc plugin module?

At least in Fedora it's not there by default, and you have to go get it
via the FF plugins/addons mechanism.

Janina

Jason White writes:
> In response to a discussion on another mailing list, I tested Orca 2.30.2 and
> Firefox 3.6.10 (Debian Iceweasel package from Experimental) with the following
> test page (thanks to Leif Halvard Silli):
> http://malform.no/testing/longdesc/img longdesc html
>
> Orca didn't seem to recognize the LONGDESC attribute. To find out whether the
> presence of the attribute was actually being disclosed in the accessibility
> API events, I obtained debug logs. While not being an expert in reading these,
> I didn't find anything that seemed to correspond to the LONGDESC attribute. On
> the other hand, the logs tend to be lengthy.
>
> Sample logs are attached. This could well be a Mozilla issue rather tahn an
> Orca one.

> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-name   detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> sensitive' relations=''
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:state-changed:busy <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:state-changed:busy vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:state-changed:busy                detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> sensitive' relations=''
> BRAILLE LINE:  'Finished loading   Longdesc   attribute test..'
>      VISIBLE:  'Finished loading   Longdesc   attribute ', cursor=0
> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Finished loading   Longdesc   attribute test..'
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:state-changed:busy ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT document:load-complete <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT document:load-complete vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: document:load-complete                   detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> sensitive' relations=''
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT document:load-complete ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-name   detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test. - Iceweasel' role='frame' state='active enabled 
> horizontal opaque resizable sensitive showing visible' relations='node child of'
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name ^^^^^
>
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-value  detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='progress bar' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing 
> visible' relations=''
> generate speech for app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='progress bar' state='enabled horizontal opaque 
> sensitive showing visible' relations='' (args={'formatType': 'focused', 'useDefaultFormatting': False, 
> 'role': ROLE_PROGRESS_BAR, 'mode': 'speech', 'alreadyFocused': True, 'recursing': True}) using '[] + 
> percentage + []'
> percentage=['50 percent']
> generate speech results:
>   50 percent
> SPEECH OUTPUT: '50 percent'
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value ^^^^^
>
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-value  detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='progress bar' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing 
> visible' relations=''
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value ^^^^^
>
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT focus:
> DEQUEUED EVENT focus: <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT focus: vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: focus:                                   detail=(0,0)
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:state-changed:focused
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> focused horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='node child of'
> LOCUS OF FOCUS: app='Iceweasel' name='' role='paragraph'
>                 event='focus:'
> Object deemed to be useless: [paragraph | ]
> BRAILLE LINE:  'A quote about use of longdesc:'
>      VISIBLE:  'A quote about use of longdesc:', cursor=1
> generate speech for app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='paragraph' state='enabled horizontal opaque 
> sensitive showing visible' relations='' (args={'formatType': 'unfocused', 'useDefaultFormatting': False, 
> 'priorObj': <CORBA.Object 'IDL:Accessibility/Accessible:1.0' at 0x1d509e0>, 'role': ROLE_PARAGRAPH, 'mode': 
> 'speech', 'recursing': True}) using 'newAncestors + newRowHeader + newColumnHeader + newRadioButtonGroup + 
> labelOrName + readOnly + textRole + currentLineText + allTextSelection + (mnemonic and (pause + mnemonic + 
> lineBreak) or []) + newNodeLevel + unselectedCell + (tutorial and (pause + tutorial) or [])'
> default.findCommonAncestor...
> ...default.findCommonAncestor
> newAncestors=[]
> newRowHeader=[]
> newColumnHeader=[]
> newRadioButtonGroup=[]
> labelOrName=[]
> Gecko.script.py:isReadOnlyTextArea=False for app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='paragraph' 
> state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations=''
> readOnly=[]
> textRole=[]
> currentLineText=['A quote about use of longdesc: \n']
> allTextSelection=[]
> mnemonic=[]
> getNodeLevel - obj is defunct
>
>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/orca.py", line 1777, in main
>     start(pyatspi.Registry) # waits until we stop the registry
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/orca.py", line 1321, in start
>     registry.start(gil=settings.useGILIdleHandler)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/pyatspi/registry.py", line 364, in start
>     bonobo.main()
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py", line 931, in _dequeueEvent
>     self._processObjectEvent(event)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py", line 709, in _processObjectEvent
>     s.processObjectEvent(event)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/script.py", line 370, in processObjectEvent
>     self.listeners[key](event)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 1819, in onFocus
>     orca.setLocusOfFocus(event, obj)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/orca.py", line 263, in setLocusOfFocus
>     orca_state.locusOfFocus)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py", line 1034, in locusOfFocusChanged
>     newLocusOfFocus)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 2234, in 
> locusOfFocusChanged
>     newLocusOfFocus)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/default.py", line 3042, in locusOfFocusChanged
>     priorObj=oldLocusOfFocus)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/speech_generator.py", line 510, in 
> generateSpeech
>     generateSpeech(self, obj, **args))
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/speech_generator.py", line 101, in generateSpeech
>     return self.generate(obj, **args)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/generator.py", line 247, in generate
>     globalsDict[arg] = self._methodsDict[arg](obj, **args)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/speech_generator.py", line 906, in _generateNewNodeLevel
>     oldLevel = self._script.getNodeLevel(args.get('priorObj', None))
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 3852, in getNodeLevel
>     debug.printStack(debug.LEVEL_WARNING)
>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/debug.py", line 136, in printStack
>     traceback.print_stack(None, 100, debugFile)
>
> newNodeLevel=[]
> unselectedCell=[]
> tutorial=[]
> generate speech results:
>   A quote about use of longdesc: 
>
> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'A quote about use of longdesc: 
> '
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT focus: ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:state-changed:focused <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:state-changed:focused vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:state-changed:focused             detail=(1,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> focused horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='node child of'
> Finding top-level object for source.name=  Longdesc   attribute test.
> --> obj.name=
> --> obj.name=
> --> obj.name=
> --> obj.name=  Longdesc   attribute test. - Iceweasel
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:state-changed:focused ^^^^^
>
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:text-changed:delete:system
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:text-changed:delete:system <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:text-changed:delete:system vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:text-changed:delete:system        detail=(0,1)
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:text-changed:insert:system
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:children-changed:add:system
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> focused horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='node child of'
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:text-changed:delete:system ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:text-changed:insert:system <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:text-changed:insert:system vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:text-changed:insert:system        detail=(0,1)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> focused horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='node child of'
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:text-changed:insert:system ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:children-changed:add:system <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:children-changed:add:system vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:children-changed:add:system       detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='  Longdesc   attribute test.' role='document frame' state='enabled focusable 
> focused horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='node child of'
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:children-changed:add:system ^^^^^
>
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-value  detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='progress bar' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing 
> visible' relations=''
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value ^^^^^
>
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-value  detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='progress bar' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing 
> visible' relations=''
> generate speech for app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='progress bar' state='enabled horizontal opaque 
> sensitive showing visible' relations='' (args={'formatType': 'focused', 'useDefaultFormatting': False, 
> 'role': ROLE_PROGRESS_BAR, 'mode': 'speech', 'alreadyFocused': True, 'recursing': True}) using '[] + 
> percentage + []'
> percentage=['100 percent']
> generate speech results:
>   100 percent
> SPEECH OUTPUT: '100 percent'
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-value ^^^^^
>
> KEYEVENT: type=0
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17104813
>           time=1286935787.861030
> orca.keyEcho: string to echo: Down
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYPRESS 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYPRESS 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down vvvvv
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name
> LOCUS OF FOCUS: app='Iceweasel' name='' role='paragraph'
>                 event=None
> ---------> QUEUEING EVENT object:text-caret-moved
> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'A quote about use of longdesc: 
> '
> BRAILLE LINE:  'A quote about use of longdesc:'
>      VISIBLE:  'A quote about use of longdesc:', cursor=1
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down ^^^^^
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:property-change:accessible-name   detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not 
> usually interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions.' role='image' 
> state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations=''
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:property-change:accessible-name ^^^^^
>
> DEQUEUED EVENT object:text-caret-moved <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:text-caret-moved vvvvv
> OBJECT EVENT: object:text-caret-moved                  detail=(0,0)
>     app.name='Iceweasel' name='None' role='paragraph' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing 
> visible' relations=''
> ^^^^^ PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:text-caret-moved ^^^^^
>
> KEYEVENT: type=1
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17104893
>           time=1286935787.940664
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=0
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17105693
>           time=1286935788.740769
> orca.keyEcho: string to echo: Down
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYPRESS 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYPRESS 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down vvvvv
> LOCUS OF FOCUS: app='Iceweasel' name='Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs 
> are not usually interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions.' 
> role='image'
>                 event=None
> generate speech for app.name='Iceweasel' name='Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts 
> and graphs are not usually interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long 
> descriptions.' role='image' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='' 
> (args={'useDefaultFormatting': False, 'formatType': 'unfocused', 'role': ROLE_IMAGE, 'mode': 'speech', 
> 'recursing': True}) using 'newAncestors + newRowHeader + newColumnHeader + newRadioButtonGroup + 
> labelAndName + allTextSelection + roleName + availability + (mnemonic and (pause + mnemonic + lineBreak) or 
> []) + accelerator + newNodeLevel + unselectedCell + (tutorial and (pause + tutorial) or [])'
> newAncestors=[]
> newRowHeader=[]
> newColumnHeader=[]
> newRadioButtonGroup=[]
> labelAndName=["Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not usually 
> interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions."]
> allTextSelection=[]
> roleName=['image']
> availability=[]
> mnemonic=[]
> default.getKeyBinding: [u'', u'', u'']
> accelerator=[]
> newNodeLevel=[]
> unselectedCell=[]
> tutorial=[]
> generate speech results:
>   Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not usually interchangeable with 
> data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions.
>   image
> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not usually 
> interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions. image 
> '
> generate braille for app.name='Iceweasel' name='Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts 
> and graphs are not usually interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long 
> descriptions.' role='image' state='enabled horizontal opaque sensitive showing visible' relations='' 
> (args={'formatType': 'focused', 'useDefaultFormatting': False, 'includeContext': False, 'role': ROLE_IMAGE, 
> 'mode': 'braille', 'recursing': True}) using '(imageLink                           and [Link(obj, 
> (asString(label + displayedText)                                           or asString(name))               
>                            + " " + asString(value + roleName))]                           or 
> [Component(obj,                                        asString(label + displayedText + value + 
> roleName))])'
> imageLink=None
> label=[]
> displayedText=["Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not usually 
> interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions."]
> value=['']
> roleName=['Image']
> generate braille results:
>   Component: 'Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not usually 
> interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions. Image', 0
> BRAILLE LINE:  'Something to keep in mind for the examples is that charts and graphs are not usually 
> interchangeable with data tables so they don't usually make good long descriptions. Image'
>      VISIBLE:  'Something to keep in mind for the exampl', cursor=1
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=1
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17105757
>           time=1286935788.804664
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=0
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17111805
>           time=1286935794.852840
> orca.keyEcho: string to echo: Down
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYPRESS 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYPRESS 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=1
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17111869
>           time=1286935794.916538
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=0
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17112541
>           time=1286935795.588740
> orca.keyEcho: string to echo: Down
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYPRESS 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYPRESS 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=1
>           hw_code=116
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Down)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17112621
>           time=1286935795.668493
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116)
> DEQUEUED KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Down ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=0
>           hw_code=111
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Up)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17113293
>           time=1286935796.340732
> orca.keyEcho: string to echo: Up
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYPRESS 'Up' (111)
> DEQUEUED KEYPRESS 'Up' (111) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Up vvvvv
> LOCUS OF FOCUS: app='Iceweasel' name='' role='paragraph'
>                 event=None
> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'A quote about use of longdesc: 
> '
> BRAILLE LINE:  'A quote about use of longdesc:'
>      VISIBLE:  'A quote about use of longdesc:', cursor=1
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Up ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=1
>           hw_code=111
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Up)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17113357
>           time=1286935796.404517
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Up' (111)
> DEQUEUED KEYRELEASE 'Up' (111) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Up vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY RELEASE EVENT Up ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=0
>           hw_code=111
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Up)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17114493
>           time=1286935797.540647
> orca.keyEcho: string to echo: Up
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYPRESS 'Up' (111)
> DEQUEUED KEYPRESS 'Up' (111) <----------
>
> vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Up vvvvv
>
> ^^^^^ PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Up ^^^^^
> KEYEVENT: type=1
>           hw_code=111
>           modifiers=16400
>           event_string=(Up)
>           is_text=True
>           timestamp=17114557
>           time=1286935797.604595
> orca.isModifierKey: returning: False
> ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Up' (111)

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