Re: [orca-list] Orca and the problem when opening messages in a new window in thunderbird

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

Hey Michael,

Thanks for the tip about dev versions of thunderbird in AUR; didn't
know there was one there.  Also, just like Firefox, you can download
precompiled tarballs from the Mozilla site like you said and
thunderbird the same way.  I do that all the time with firefox
4.0betas now.

Oh, thanks for tha patch for the name change.  I've done a couple of
those in the past.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:16:20PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> Hello,
> The affected versions of thunderbird are those beginning 3.1. So at
> the moment if you prefer messages open in a new window (I prefer
> that and don't really get on with tabs) then the options seem to be
> either move up to development builds on the 3.3 branch or move down
> to the 3.0.x branch. I don't know that its going to be wise to
> create a fix in orca. See below for more details on all this.
>
> I don't actually know when thunderbird 3.3 final will be out, but
> consider we are on alpha1 so there probably will be another couple
> of alpha releases then a few beta releases, I imagine a few months
> down the line. Then you also have to wait for the distribution you
> use to put it in a package, so may be a bit more of a wait (unless
> they decide to package a beta version).
>
> However you may want to do as I have and go with the development
> releases. ArchLinux has a package for thunderbird 3.3a1 in AUR,
> however if you don't have a distribution package then you may wish
> to download a version from
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/3.3a1, decompress it
> and just run it. Please note if doing this orca does not have a
> alias for the new name for these builds (Miramar), see
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637115 for a patch to fix
> this.
>
> If you wanted to go backwards to a version not affected by this bug
> then look at versions 3.0.x, current latest being 3.0.11.
>
> There may be ways orca could handle this bug, but I get the feeling
> any fix orca does for this would be quite ugly and potentially risky
> (we would be trying to find out if an event saying a window was
> activated really lead to the window being activated). The patch
> attached to bug #633186 I think doesn't really get to the core of
> the problem and only solves some of the problems caused by the bug.
> I now no longer can recommend that patch.
>
> I hope I covered everything you meant me to cover,let me know if I
> missed something.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Hammer Attila wrote:
> > Hy,
> >
> > Michael, you don't known when releasing the 3.3 final Thunderbird
> > version? :-):-)
> > I very wait.
> > Now, for example Ubuntu Lucid, Maverick and developing Natty release
> > containing equals Thunderbird 3.1.7 release.
> > I looked the 3.1.6 prewious version and you wroted problems is present
> > this oldest version, I used Orca 2.91.4 pre version when tested the
> > prewious Thunderbird version.
> > Only help if I turning on the "Automatically start speaking a page
> > when it is first _loaded" option with Orca application
> > preferences/thunderbird page, I think Jose suggest this temporary
> > method. Unfortunately this is a partialy working solution, because if
> > any popup window are present and I switch back the message window,
> > Orca lost focus with 3.1.6 and 3.1.7 version. I am not like the tab
> > style new message presenting method, I like seeing new messages with a
> > new message window. Tab style message presenting is not producing this
> > simptomns if I remember right.
> > You don't known what the last Thunderbird version with producing this
> > problems?
> >
> > What resulting your patch if committed for example the git master
> > branch and for example Orca 2.32 branch with Thunderbird 3.3
> > development version? Or this is not a safe step and containing risks
> > in future?
> > If yes, I agree.
> >
> > Attila
>
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