Re: [orca-list] Orca and the problem when opening messages in a new window in thunderbird



Hey Michael,

Thanks for the tip about dev versions of thunderbird in AUR; didn't
know there was one there.  Also, just like Firefox, you can download
precompiled tarballs from the Mozilla site like you said and
thunderbird the same way.  I do that all the time with firefox
4.0betas now.

Oh, thanks for tha patch for the name change.  I've done a couple of
those in the past.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:16:20PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
Hello,
The affected versions of thunderbird are those beginning 3.1. So at
the moment if you prefer messages open in a new window (I prefer
that and don't really get on with tabs) then the options seem to be
either move up to development builds on the 3.3 branch or move down
to the 3.0.x branch. I don't know that its going to be wise to
create a fix in orca. See below for more details on all this.

I don't actually know when thunderbird 3.3 final will be out, but
consider we are on alpha1 so there probably will be another couple
of alpha releases then a few beta releases, I imagine a few months
down the line. Then you also have to wait for the distribution you
use to put it in a package, so may be a bit more of a wait (unless
they decide to package a beta version).

However you may want to do as I have and go with the development
releases. ArchLinux has a package for thunderbird 3.3a1 in AUR,
however if you don't have a distribution package then you may wish
to download a version from
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/3.3a1, decompress it
and just run it. Please note if doing this orca does not have a
alias for the new name for these builds (Miramar), see
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637115 for a patch to fix
this.

If you wanted to go backwards to a version not affected by this bug
then look at versions 3.0.x, current latest being 3.0.11.

There may be ways orca could handle this bug, but I get the feeling
any fix orca does for this would be quite ugly and potentially risky
(we would be trying to find out if an event saying a window was
activated really lead to the window being activated). The patch
attached to bug #633186 I think doesn't really get to the core of
the problem and only solves some of the problems caused by the bug.
I now no longer can recommend that patch.

I hope I covered everything you meant me to cover,let me know if I
missed something.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Hammer Attila wrote:
Hy,

Michael, you don't known when releasing the 3.3 final Thunderbird
version? :-):-)
I very wait.
Now, for example Ubuntu Lucid, Maverick and developing Natty release
containing equals Thunderbird 3.1.7 release.
I looked the 3.1.6 prewious version and you wroted problems is present
this oldest version, I used Orca 2.91.4 pre version when tested the
prewious Thunderbird version.
Only help if I turning on the "Automatically start speaking a page
when it is first _loaded" option with Orca application
preferences/thunderbird page, I think Jose suggest this temporary
method. Unfortunately this is a partialy working solution, because if
any popup window are present and I switch back the message window,
Orca lost focus with 3.1.6 and 3.1.7 version. I am not like the tab
style new message presenting method, I like seeing new messages with a
new message window. Tab style message presenting is not producing this
simptomns if I remember right.
You don't known what the last Thunderbird version with producing this
problems?

What resulting your patch if committed for example the git master
branch and for example Orca 2.32 branch with Thunderbird 3.3
development version? Or this is not a safe step and containing risks
in future?
If yes, I agree.

Attila


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