Re: [orca-list] Some of my thoughts about what has been difficult for getting into orca development and orca scripting

[Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com>]

Hi,
imho it shouldn't be. While it was the flagship distro with Sun's backing to Orca then of course that was the right way to go about things. Now, however, there's no reason to give any special consideration to any distro over another. Plus, I really want this feature lol and I use Ubuntu. If there is a testing ground needed I bet the Vinux guys would be willing to add it. Beeping progress bars are just plain cool.
Thans
Storm

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On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 00:27 +0100, Rui Batista wrote:
> Hi,
> Sáb, 2010-04-03 às 14:50 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs escreveu:
>
> > >  The other is having progress 
> > > bars giving increasing tones as they get to higher percentages like in 
> > > NVDA. Now looking at those, guess the second is easier, partly I have an 
> > > idea what would be needed, something to listen for progress bar changed 
> > > events (whatever the actual at-spi name is for it) and then depending on 
> > > a setting in orca putting out a tone through something like gstreamer (I 
> > > have some of the ideas used in gstreamer understood and as its a gnome 
> > > framework it seems sensible to use).
> > 
> > As I recall, Rui Batista has done some work in this area. I'm hoping
> > he'll chime in.
> > 
> I'm Here I'm here!!
> I reported this bug regarding the issue:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597001
>
> And implemented this patch:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=144504
>
> I dobt the patch still merges cleanly but I can put this working again.
> The problem is that with the corrent audio code (wich uses a systemcall
> aproach to call gstreamer) it sounds a bit strange sometimes, with beeps
> one over another. Maybe I'll try again wrting some gstreamer stuff and
> see if it works... I recall problems with that on solaris and working
> fine on Ubuntu... Is solaris still a priority? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui Batista
>
>
>
> > >  One bit I don't quite know is how 
> > > to define a setting for orca and eventually that setting should be shown 
> > > in orca preferences. May be nudge me in the right direction here, does 
> > > this sound good for starting thoughts, or should I look at even simpler 
> > > tasks than the audio for progress bar changes?
> > 
> > In terms of making things bite sized, it might be worth tackling them as
> > separate problems:
> > 
> > 1. Implement sound for progress bars (we won't actually check that in
> > without a setting, but it doesn't *need* to have a setting for you to
> > get this feature working.)
> > 
> > 2. Add a setting.
> > 
> > The way we do settings within Orca at the moment is less than ideal, and
> > largely the result of the Orca team's lacking profound insight (and/or
> > psychic ability) in the early days into what all we'd need to implement
> > settings-wize to meet user requirements. So it got built up as we went.
> > 
> > A while back, I started looking at moving everything to gconf. But gconf
> > is being deprecated by the GNOME community. So had we gone that route,
> > we'd be forced to make (another) switch/move in our settings. Because we
> > didn't, the broader community simply frowns at us for rolling our own
> > settings handling. <grin> My intent is to address this after the GNOME
> > community completes the gconf deprecation.
> > 
> > I will add the writing of documentation related to how to add a new
> > setting within Orca to my to-do list. In the meantime, here is an
> > example commit that Attila did to add the option to have Orca speak the
> > position of an object (e.g. within a list or group):
> > 
> > http://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/commit/?id=3a39a802476a741e3341e36cedfbb2f3e3fc2aca
> > 
> > HTH. Take care.
> > --joanie
> > 
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