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Re: [orca-list] orca/linux new user questions

On -10/01/37 20:59, Bill Cox wrote:

I haven't tried Vinux, yet, but from what I've read, I would strongly
recommend it for a new Linux user.  If you don't know what
'./configure; make; sudo make install' means, then you'll probably
want a Linux distribution that is already pre-packaged with solid
voice accessibility built in.  So far as I know, Vinux is the only
current distribution that qualifies.
GRML (www.grml.org) probably qualifies on the accessibility, but due to its use of debian unstable for extra packages does make it less adviseable for people new to linux. 


Vinux is based on Ubuntu, which is regarded by many (including me) as
the easiest to use Linux distribution out-of-the-box, although there
are several outstanding linux distributions now days that are very
easy to use.  Ubuntu is based on Debian, which has more installable
packages than any other, and Ubuntu inherits all this good work.
As far as I know vinux is moving to debian (which I think is a good thing). Also while ubuntu is debian based, it does certainly differ and packages might not move back and forth without issues as ubuntu doesn't follow all the debian policies. Compare this with GRML which follows all the debian standards and so can accept any debian package. 


Open-Solaris sounds great, but my customers all use Linux, and I
prefer to be on a similar platform.
I have to say opensolaris looks good, but as it isn't linux you may find this is a problem (eg. voxin won't work on solaris and other software may not work either). It may or may not meet your needs and unfortunately there were a few things which keep me to linux. 

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I don't know if the Voxin voice is built into Vinux by default (if
not, please consider adding it!).  Adding the Voxin voice (same as the
old IBM ViaVoice) makes a huge difference, in my opinion.  This voice
seems far easier for me to understand at high speed than espeak.  It
can be bought for under $10 from:

     http://vinux.org.uk/
I doubt voxin could be added to vinux by default as voxin is commercial and so the cost would need to be recovered some how. Whether those producing vinux would wish to go down the line of producing a paid for version as well which could include things like voxin I don't know (I believe other linux distributions have gone down this route in the past with commercial software). 


However, this voice may be causing some of my systems stability
problems with Orca.  I haven't figured out what's going wrong, yet.
Voxin could be causing some of the issues, its really old and its probably a matter of time before it stops working all together. If you are using it with gnome speech, it will be using OSS for audio output, you will need to edit the bonobo server file for gnome speech (eg. /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Viavoice.server) to use the OSS compatability for the sound system used by your distribution (this may or may not work depending on your distributions sound system). 


If Vinux can pre-install voices like voxin, and programs like Orca,
emacspeak, and speakup, and get everything working properly, it would
really help make Linux a ton more accessible, in my opinion.
Other than voxin (due to issues discussed above), I believe this is the purpose of vinux. 

Michael Whapples


Another issue you'll face is choosing applications.  Orca works well
with the Gnome desktop.  Don't use KDE or any Linux distribution that
uses KDE instead of Gnome, since KDE dropped the ball on
accessibility.  Vinux and Ubuntu ship with Gnome enabled by default,
but other Linux distributions ship with KDE, including Kubuntu.
You'll want to use the default browser - FireFox, and the default
e-mail client - Evolution, since they seem to work well with Orca.

I don't know how I'd live without the gnome-terminal program, but I
guess some people manage to go through life without it.  Assuming you
have speakup installed, you switch to it with Ctrl-Alt-F1, and back to
Gnome with Ctrl-Alt-F7.  When using speakup, you type directly into a
bash terminal, just like gnome-terminal, except it's full-screen.  It
is a great environment for system administration.  However, if you
don't do system administration, you may not need it.

One problem you may find in Linux or Open Solaris is that Dragon
Naturally Speaking doesn't run there.  If you need speech recognition,
you may just want to stick with Windows.

Anyway, this is my opinion so far, based on just a couple weeks of
learning about Linux accessibility.

One other thing... Thanks guys for all the help!  The Orca and
blindprogramming lists have been extremely helpful.  I'm a
professional programmer, and I'm slowly losing the ability to read.  I
didn't know if this would end my career and make it hard for me to
support my family.  I can't tell you how relieved I am now that I've
found these groups.  They've made it very clear that yes, I will be
able to keep my job, and there are many people on these lists who are
very willing to offer great advice on just how to do it.  I don't even
have to switch to Windows!

Bill

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:30 AM,<w9fyi cox net>  wrote:

Hello,
I am just beginning my travel down the road of Orca/linux use, and hoping to find some sense of dirrection as 
to where to start.  Ideally i would like to replace my use of windows with Linux.  The bottom line is I'm 
tired of being chained at the wallet to the screen-reader manufacturers and I'd like to be able to brake the 
chains that bind me to microsoft.  Is this a realistic expectation?  If yes, then what flavor of Linux/Linux 
is most compatible with  Orca, out of the box?  Again I do apologize in advance if this has been covered.  
Thanks in advance for any help
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