Re: [orca-list] Orca out of the box

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

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Don't mix apples and oranges just yet.  The problems I was iluding to
with Speech Dispatcher is nothing more than getting a proper
configuration for your respective distro and personal situation.  That
aside, Speech Dispatcher works fine for me.  On Arch, I am not using
pulse audio.  it's available but not required.  Speech dispatcher is
developed by www.freebsoft.com and there is a mailing list there for
speechd support though I haven't seen anything from that list in ages!

To make this discussion relevant to Orca, we just need to make sure
speech dispatcher can be either configured well with a good standard
default that would work for just about anyone without muss nor fuss.
Of course those of us using speakup or some other native text
environment could get speech dispatcher squared away before starting
up Orca for the first time.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:14:05AM -0500, Bill Cox wrote:
> As for speech-dispatcher, I don't think this is an Arch issue.  I've
> got my debugger up right now running it, under Ubuntu Lucid alpha1.  I
> think it had issues with pulseaudio.  Is there any sort of support
> team for pulseaudio, or has the author gone away?  If so, maybe we
> should put it up on sourceforge to allow people from different distros
> to collaborate.
>
> Bill
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
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> > This is excellent advice. ÂIt might introduce some geek factor which
> > is so often complained about by operating system critics but really,
> > the better you know your system, inside and out, the easier time you
> > will have correcting problems if / when they occur.
> >
> > Problem today is many computer users, no matter blind or sighted, are
> > getting emerced into a GUI environment strait away and are completely
> > missing out on the command-line experienced, we former DOS and current
> > Linux users enjoy.
> >
> > But when someone should get into using Orca and such, the setup
> > process needs to be as strait forward as possible. ÂSo far, this has
> > gone pretty well with gnome-speech integrated. ÂI'm really wondering
> > how well this will go when using speech dispatcher as a default. ÂThis
> > involves installing another separate package and it often has to be
> > customized before using "out of the box". ÂI think when Orca comes
> > closer to using this as a default it will behoove any of use involved
> > with package building for distros to make this as seemless as
> > possible. ÂI for example am involved some with the Arch Linux distro
> > and maintain the speech dispatcher package for that distro but it is
> > currently in a "unsupported user development" area and if it is going
> > to be mainlined into Orca like this, I will need to persue elevating
> > this to a production status in our distro so a new user can come along
> > and pick it up along with gnome-extra and Orca. ÂAnyway, that is an
> > Arch issue and may not be as big a problem for other distros. ÂIt is
> > something that needs to be dealt with wither in setup documentation
> > like our wiki pages or built into distro setup scripts.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 01:45:22PM +1100, Jason White wrote:
> > > My advice to new users would still be to learn the console level first, the
> > > shell, configuration files, etc., which is both highly accessible and very
> > > reliable. After that, proceed to Orca and gnome.
> > >
> > > My impression from reading this list is that people who come to Linux/Unix via
> > > Orca without the background knowledge in place tend to get themselves into
> > > difficulties which it would be much easier and less frustrating to overcome if
> > > they had an appropriate level of understanding in advance of how to use a
> > > Linux/Unix-like operating system.
> > >
> > > I also think the Unix text-based environment, once having understood the
> > > basics, is wonderfully usable and accessible, and no graphical desktop of the
> > > conventional type can come anywhere close to supplanting it no matter what
> > > accessibility features are developed. I prefer to think of X/Gnome
> > > accessibility as a very important and valuable complement to what we already
> > > have rather than as a replacement for it.
> > >
> > > However, I don't want to enter into any debate with people who may disagree
> > > with this, especially not on the Orca list, where such a discussion would
> > > plainly be off-topic.
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