Re: [orca-list] Orca out of the box

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Don't mix apples and oranges just yet.  The problems I was iluding to
with Speech Dispatcher is nothing more than getting a proper
configuration for your respective distro and personal situation.  That
aside, Speech Dispatcher works fine for me.  On Arch, I am not using
pulse audio.  it's available but not required.  Speech dispatcher is
developed by and there is a mailing list there for
speechd support though I haven't seen anything from that list in ages!

To make this discussion relevant to Orca, we just need to make sure
speech dispatcher can be either configured well with a good standard
default that would work for just about anyone without muss nor fuss.
Of course those of us using speakup or some other native text
environment could get speech dispatcher squared away before starting
up Orca for the first time.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:14:05AM -0500, Bill Cox wrote:
As for speech-dispatcher, I don't think this is an Arch issue.  I've
got my debugger up right now running it, under Ubuntu Lucid alpha1.  I
think it had issues with pulseaudio.  Is there any sort of support
team for pulseaudio, or has the author gone away?  If so, maybe we
should put it up on sourceforge to allow people from different distros
to collaborate.


On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
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This is excellent advice. ÂIt might introduce some geek factor which
is so often complained about by operating system critics but really,
the better you know your system, inside and out, the easier time you
will have correcting problems if / when they occur.

Problem today is many computer users, no matter blind or sighted, are
getting emerced into a GUI environment strait away and are completely
missing out on the command-line experienced, we former DOS and current
Linux users enjoy.

But when someone should get into using Orca and such, the setup
process needs to be as strait forward as possible. ÂSo far, this has
gone pretty well with gnome-speech integrated. ÂI'm really wondering
how well this will go when using speech dispatcher as a default. ÂThis
involves installing another separate package and it often has to be
customized before using "out of the box". ÂI think when Orca comes
closer to using this as a default it will behoove any of use involved
with package building for distros to make this as seemless as
possible. ÂI for example am involved some with the Arch Linux distro
and maintain the speech dispatcher package for that distro but it is
currently in a "unsupported user development" area and if it is going
to be mainlined into Orca like this, I will need to persue elevating
this to a production status in our distro so a new user can come along
and pick it up along with gnome-extra and Orca. ÂAnyway, that is an
Arch issue and may not be as big a problem for other distros. ÂIt is
something that needs to be dealt with wither in setup documentation
like our wiki pages or built into distro setup scripts.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 01:45:22PM +1100, Jason White wrote:
My advice to new users would still be to learn the console level first, the
shell, configuration files, etc., which is both highly accessible and very
reliable. After that, proceed to Orca and gnome.

My impression from reading this list is that people who come to Linux/Unix via
Orca without the background knowledge in place tend to get themselves into
difficulties which it would be much easier and less frustrating to overcome if
they had an appropriate level of understanding in advance of how to use a
Linux/Unix-like operating system.

I also think the Unix text-based environment, once having understood the
basics, is wonderfully usable and accessible, and no graphical desktop of the
conventional type can come anywhere close to supplanting it no matter what
accessibility features are developed. I prefer to think of X/Gnome
accessibility as a very important and valuable complement to what we already
have rather than as a replacement for it.

However, I don't want to enter into any debate with people who may disagree
with this, especially not on the Orca list, where such a discussion would
plainly be off-topic.

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